Is this legal? DSL sharing question

[Bojax]

My cousin lives next door to me. he has dsl and an open spot on his hub. he told me i could hook up to his network and share his connection. I wonder if this is legal or not. it's sort of a moral dilema.

 

[Kelvrick]

I don't think it would be illegal. You wouldn't be stealing the connection because you're using his. Its like using a rich friends aol account when he gets dsl or something. The line is paid for. If you use it, it slows him down too.

 

[trmiv]

Of course it is. He's just paying for the service and probably the use of one IP address. If he uses a router with NAT, he can hook up as many computers as he wants, your's included.

 

[Bojax]

WOW!!! the responses are so fast here it's almost like live chat.......Cool i think i'll take him up on his offer. good bye 56k

 

[blueghost75]

illigal? hell no!!! immoral? what? how is that immoral?

dude.......hook up, and hook up now. if i knew someone within half a mile or so from me that had a fast internet connection, i would be all over it with a big spool of CAT5 cable.....

hell, if I had DSL, I would sell it to my neighbors without thinking twice. If they were family, I would give it to them, of course....

 

[goldboyd]

If he lives in a HOUSE next door, I would recommend against it. You do not want to run cat5 between the houses for many reasons. You could run fiber, but that would not be worth the $$ IMHO. On the other hand if you live in a apartment or some kind of townhouse, ignore what I just said

 

[Bojax]

wasn't sure if it was like cable....i'm not positive but isn't doing basically the same thing (splitting your neighbor's cable connection) illegal? Doesn't really matter now i'm going to do it.

 

[Bojax]

goldboyd: i've heard of people digging a small trench and running the cat5 cable through some garden hose under ground. was going to try that rout. i havn't even priced pvc pipe.

 

[Cooltech2k]

he is paying for the bandwith, not for the number of PC's he has connected to it... I Did the same thing back in high school with my neighbor & his T1... (he had way too much money to blow)

 

[Gunbuster]

Read his TOS (terms of service) From the DSL companys contract.

Not that they can stop you.

 

[rutchtkim]

just outta curiosity, how are you gonna implement the connection???? underground or what???

 

[GhettoFob]

I run a cable to my neighbor two houses away, no problems

 

[Tsaico]

Technically it is illegal to do so. He is paying for the connection per household. Inside his house, he is allowed to split as much as he wants. Since you are not the same house, you are not suppose to splice off his connection. It is no different than two seperate homes sharing cable lines or telephone lines. The difference is that unlike cable, there is no way for them to detect the extra line splice between homes. So the real question is: knowing you are not going to be able to get caught (unless you invite the able guy into your house), will you still do it?
P.S. as a side note, digging a small trench, laying down PVC, and feeding the cat5e into it is the best way to do it. You can also attach the PVC from roof top to roof top and run from attics, but it is more noticeable. Just be sure not to excedd the maxium for the switch.

 

[Bojax]

rutchtkim: read my response to goldboyd a few post's above.

 

[Bojax]

ahhhh!!!!! Tsaico: i was feeling so good about it until you said that. Are you familiar with the legistic's on this issue? where did you get this information?

 

[Tsaico]

Sorry man, well, it is illegal for Charter and TCI customers to do that, as it states in your service agreement. I origionally got tipped off to do further study on it after reading a faq at: http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/CABLEMODEMFAQ.html I then read the agreement carefully and found that it stated the service was for a single household, at the location of origional installation request. So there is some hope, perhaps your cable compy doesn't care, but I doubt they would let it slip...

 

[RichieZ]

remember 100M max for Cat5 w/o a repeater

 

[Tsaico]

Keep in mind too, that total ft...not just per line... (or meters)

 

[Bojax]

Tsaico. this is through Verizon's DSL service. i've been looking for their TOS, can't find it yet.

RichieZZZZ: yeah, i'm aware of that. he's pretty close. i think i can get away with 100ft.

 

[dakata24]

this is probably a grey area.. i doubt something like this is mentioned in the TOS.. as long as someone is paying for it . if he was stealing cable or something, and sharing it with ya, then that's definately illegal.

technology is going in this direction anyways... look at the linksys wireless router. you can replace the antennas (from practicallynetworked.com) with more powerful ones.. and even with the ones that come with it, you can get about 800 feet. cat5 only gets you 300ft. i dont see a reason why these wireless routers need this much coverage.

 

[Sugadaddy]

Is it illegal? Yes, I'm almost sure it is.


Would I do it if I were you? Yes, definitely.

I give the thumbs up.

 

[solarisjames]

i think you can only hook up 65000 machines using NAT/PAT on an ip address.....
=)