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Is this good example of Verizon's shady practices? DSL related....

codeyf

codeyf

Lifer
Just got my upgrade to 1.5/128k on my DSL. Verizon has always done me well, service has never been down in the 2 years I've had it.

Anyway, why is it that I can get "good" service (ie 768+ connection) when I go through Verizon, yet NOT A SINGLE other ISP has access/service in my area? Only other provider that has any sort of xDSL to my home is Covad. And it's the sh1tty 144/144 for $90 service. No Speakeasy. No Earthlink (I originally wanted them cuz my dial-up was with Mindspring). It's Verizon, or dial-up.

What gives? I know the ISP's aren't running their own DSL networks, they basically just access Verizon. However dslreports lists the closest Verizon CO well over 12000 feet from my address.....

Is the big V just flexing it's monopolistic muscle? Or is it just that it's still "new" in my area, and therefore not yet open(ed) to other providers?
 
Other DSL providers have to lease the lines / bandwidth from Verizon, and resell it to consumers.
Many of them won't bother offering DSL if you're over 12000 feet from the CO, because it's probably more trouble than it's worth. Verizon owns the damn lines so it's not a problem for them.
 
The ISP has nothing whatsoever to do with the lines, all ISP connectivity is done post POTS splitter.

I have a 1.5/384 Verizon line with an ISP other than Verizon, & it works great.

The Covad line you were looking at is IDSL, which is typically only used in situations where normal DSL is not available. It runs over ISDN infrastructure.

Viper GTS
 
Originally posted by: amnesiac
Other DSL providers have to lease the lines / bandwidth from Verizon, and resell it to consumers.
Many of them won't bother offering DSL if you're over 12000 feet from the CO, because it's probably more trouble than it's worth. Verizon owns the damn lines so it's not a problem for them.
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Thing is, if I was over 12k feet, I wouldn't have DSL at all, let alone at my previous speed of 768/128 or at my current speed of 1.5/128.

So is it just that the ISP's haven't bothered to lease/buy/whatever the lines/bandwidth to resell?

It was just about 2 years ago that DSL was made available to my neighborhood. They obviously haven't put in a new CO, so something else was done to get the service for us since we're too far away from our local CO.
 
So is it just that the ISP's haven't bothered to lease/buy/whatever the lines/bandwidth to resell?
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In many cases that's the reason. However, some states don't force telcos to 'share'. Also, some states give the telco x number of years before they have to share so they can recoup some of their equipment investment. (this is becoming more rare)
 
I'm in Bothell, WA. I have gone back and forth a little bit with Speakeasy. But they couldn't hook me up. According to them, DSL isn't available in my area.
 
Just did another check on Speakeasy.net (was a couple months ago since the last time I did):

You are 18304 feet from your neighborhood CO, you are eligible for the following Broadband services.

IDSL
This specialized service is available to locations 15,000 feet or further from a CO. The cost is a bit higher than other DSL technologies, but Speakeasy is the only provider to offer this solution to residential customers and we have the best IDSL prices in the industry! IDSL is based on IDSN technology and is capped at a 144k




 
try another ISP, anyone from around there who knows what other ISPs are available.

You could also call them and tell them about the service you currently have with Verizon, they may yet be able to work something out.

-Spy
 
The things you're looking at are not ISP's per se. You need to find an ISP that can provide access via Verizon DSL. You want to keep your current line, but change the ISP.

Start calling ISP's in the phone book, surely there is something available other than Verizon as the ISP.

BTW, your line determines your speed, not the ISP. Your ISP will charge you based on the potential impact on their bandwidth, but the line speed is set by the line provider at the DSLAM.

Viper GTS
 
My neighbor had Verizon DSL and can't get into their FTP site.
FTP is totally unsupported by Verizon. If you can't get in, that is tough nuggies on you.
They totally suck.
 
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