Is this enough CFM's to cool my Power Supply?

shanegot

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I'm trying to build a quiet PC. I've been thinking of getting a processor heatsink/fan like the one in the link below and reversing the fan, and ducting the output with hose into my power supply. If coarse I will seal the power supply case air tight except for the intake out output holes and I'm hoping that this will eliminate the need for a PS fan. But I'm not sure what CFM the PS needs for adequite cooling. This heatsink below has 18 CFM, but it will be warm air when it gets to the PS and I'm not sure if that's enough air movement.

http://www.coolermaster.com/products/cpucooler/slota/dp26h23.html

Anyone have any thoughts on this idea?
Thanks!
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Mikewarrior2

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We like you!!! ;)

Is your concern about the P.S. fan due to noise. Even if you are ducting the flow from your heatsink fan straight into the p.s, you should still have something exhausting that air out of the p.s.

For example, even if the airflow is good, heat may get trapped in the power supply, and extra heat in power supply is bad.

So, if noise is your end-concern, i'd suggest going with a panaflo 80mm l1a(available cheap from http://teamawe.homepage.com.) Something like $7.20 for one. That way, you won't run the unnecessary risk of overheating your p.s.


Mike
 

Quickfingerz

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What is the CFM rating on the L1A fan? Decible rating? I just bought a 80mm fan for my power supply. I bought it from 2cool. It's a Sunon 30 CFM/ 26dB "quiet" fan. I was wondering whether there was something out there more quiet and provided enough CFM. 26dB is pretty quiet though.
 

Quickfingerz

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Argh! I wish I would have bought the Panaflo L1A fan. That's pretty quiet. 20dB --> that's a whisper. Where'smy credit card........

<edit> Gosh, I messed up. I should have ordered one of these fans. do you think going from 36 cfm in a power supply (Athlon ps) fan to 24 CFM will give me any grief.

<edit #2> Now that I think of it, I don't think I should go for a 24 CFM fan. 24CFM is just little to cool my ps. I mean the jump from 36 cfm to 30 CFM was pretty mighty.
 

Mikewarrior2

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umm, what p.s. do you ahve? I have 2 at my house, one is a Sparkle 300 with 2 80mm Panaflo L1a's, and its fine, adn another is an Enermax with 2 80mm Panaflo L1A's, and its fine as well.

I'm guessing, even wiht only one panaflo in there it'll be fine.



Mike
 

Quickfingerz

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Ok, hmmm... I dunno the air comin' from my ps is &quot;Hot!&quot; I actually went from a 42 CFM power supply fan to a 30 CFM fan. I checked the specs on the old case fan and it was rated at .24 Amps. That's pretty darn high. That's actually more than Sunon's high output 42 CFM fan.

<edit>I'm actually trying to look for the exact CFM of this fan. 42 is my guess. It might be more or less. All I know is that it is manufactured by Delta and is rated at .24 amps and is a 80 mm fan.
 

Mikewarrior2

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hmm, is the air coming from your p.s. hot before you swapped out the fan? The new fan is spinning, right?

If its hot, and you have a 42cfm fan in there, i would suggest not replacing it with a 24cfm panaflo. A hot p.s. is one that tends to fail.


Mike
 

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shanegot

For better air flow of your power suply fan , you need 100% at list another one to get fresh air in .

If your box have a place for it at the low front , then add one with low RPM .

It will help the general temp of your box totaly .
Don't worry about noise levels .

Most of people have high noise levels only if they use 4 or more 80mm fans in the same box .
I have 3x80mm + 3x60mm + 3x40mm fans working all together , after the right sound isolution of my box , i can hardly hear a sound of my full tower :)

I lost the sound of my hard disks too ... now i touch the box to see if they working ....hehehe
 

Quickfingerz

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I'm an idiot! I checked the specs on the fan and found out that the dB rating on the new fan is only 1 dB lower than on this new fan. It was a 31dB 36 CFM fan. darn darn darn. Looks like I'm gonna be selling some fans soon. Argh!

I'm getting the L1A for sure. Both the 92 mm and the 80 mm. I'm gonna lose so much money off of this.
 

Wiker

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If you are looking for quiet fans you may consider fans from PAPST (http://www.papst.de/) which (according to the specs) seems to be extremly quiet. For example these 80mm fans: 19.4CFM/12dB/0.6W, 26.5CFM/19dB/0.9W, 34.1CFM/26dB/1.3W. The also have some quiet bigger fans (120mm 55.3CFM/26dB 1.25W). However, I don't know where you can get PAPST fans. The only place I've found them is her in Norway (http://www.microplex.no).
 

kursplat

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looking for papst fans go to the source:

http://www.papst.com/english/products_luefter_start.html

as for cooling a power supply i have a lot of space above mine so i cut a hole for a 120mm fan in the top and place the fan right on top, removed the stock fan,and now the air comming out the p.s. is 4-5 dg c over case temp.i used a delta 120x25mm 72cfm at 34dba
p.s used a filter over the fan too (didn't want to drop anything in it)
front intake fan is 120 y.s tech 131cfm at 45dba so noise was NOT a concern

P-3 450@133 FBS for 600mhz 2.3v
256 mb pc 133 mem (no name stuff )
Abit BE6-II mb
Arctic circle w\backing plate and fan
heatsinks on cache chips
Voodoo 3 3000 @180 mhz
SBLive
full tower with lots of air flow through the case
&quot; now now ,don't clock angry. &quot;

 

Quickfingerz

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I still can't find a place to get a papst fan. I like the 80mm 26.5CFM 19dB fan. It has more output than the panaflow L1a and is quieter. Please help.
 

Quickfingerz

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Woohoo! This is way better than a panaflow fan. This one is more CFM and less dbl's. Thanks alot!!! You rule!

They even ship free. This makes it cost slightly less than buying a Panaflow fan.
 

Mikewarrior2

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http://teamawe.homepage.com for 80mm l1a panaflos.. $4 each...

The silencers are good, but they dont' feel any stronger than the panaflo's. If I have time tomorrow, i'll do some testing. I have several of both right here, and the panaflo's feel a tad stronger while the pcpower cooling silencers are a tad quieter.



Mike
P.S. Upon further inspection, the PCpowerCooling fans use less current (.075 amps vs .1 amps for the Panaflo) and the blades are about 1/16th of an inch shorter.
 

Quickfingerz

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Thanks Mike,
I was just reading a post that you had in another forum. Help me with the voltage question: How do you change voltage on a 4-pin fan?
 

Mikewarrior2

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If anybody in LA wants to come by and play around with these two fans, you're welcome to.. I'd love to have a second opinion on which is better, etc..


Hmm, changing voltage.. Well, the black wire off of pretty much any fan is the ground. The red wire is the positive voltage wire.

For 12volts, the red wires goes to the yellow wire off a computers 4 pin connector. the black goes into either black wire.

For 7 volts, the red wire goes into the yellow wire, and the black wire goes into the red wire.

For 5 volts, the red wire goes into red, the black into the black.

Hope this helps.
Mike
 

shanegot

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Is there a formula for adding up sound levels? What I mean is, if I have two 20 db fans, what will the combined sound level be? I assume it will be quieter than one 40 db fan.
 

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Your best off doing what I did - buy one of those ATX powersupplies that have a 92mm fan undeneath, instead on a 80mm fan at the back. The trouble is, most of those types of Powersupply's draw air into the case, via the powersupply. So what you do is turn it arround so it exhausts warm air from the case &amp; blows it into the powersupply, where it exist out the back. What you can then do is then replace the OEM 92mm powesupply fan with a quiet L1A1 92mm Panaflow (36cfm@12v), but rewire it to run at 7v, making it virtually silent (12v positive, 5 volt negative), then to make an allowance for the lower CFM, you put a quiet L1A1 80mm Panaflow fan at the back of the powersupply with exhausts the air out the back, &amp; wire it to run at 7v.

What you could then do is buy one of those 120x60x60mm Alpha slot collers, from the Alpha website, but get one where the fins are orienteered the other way, to run the length of the heatsink, instead of across it (they do sell ones like that). BTW, you can also buy 'em with a shroud designed for those slot 1/A alphas with the fins running length wise. By doing this you could mount it in an ATX tower so the 92mm fan underneath the powersupply is only about a centimetre away from the top of the heatsink &amp; it wouldn't be hard to mount a bit of ducting across. That way cool air will be drawn through the heatsink, then into the powersupply then out the back. I'd also mount a L1A1 12omm Panaflow fan at the fron of the case drawing fresh cold air in, &amp; have it running at a silent 7v.

This way you have 3 quiet Panaflow fans running at 7v (a 120mm one at the front of the case sucking fresh air in, a 92mm fan underneath the power, mounted above the heatsink, that draws air through the heatsink &amp; blows it into the powesupply, then a 80mm one at the back of the powersupply that exhausts the warm air out the back) which is definitly quieter than 2 or even 1 fan running at 12v.
 

GiZzO

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DABANSHEE its:
28cfm/20db

I use these fans everywhere in my case..nothing but them infact. I've gotten my case down to sound level it cannot be heard anymore even at 5am where its just so quiet its scary. but most of the sound damping was done by the HD encloser, which made a world of a difference.

Heres some pics of my case:
http://subspace.ds98.com/witch/pic/pic.html
http://subspace.ds98.com/witch/pic/grill.html

The formula for adding up db with 2 equal sounds at 20db is a 3db increase so 23db with 2 20db fans.
 

DABANSHEE

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I just looked it up at the PCP&amp;C website &amp; the silencer 275w powesupply fan is 28cfm, but it list it at 34dB. Even if you take into account a little vibration &amp; wind noise from being mounted in the powesupply there's no way there'd be a difference a increase from 20 to 34dB, just by mounting it.
 

tpt

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shanegot: X dB + X dB = X + ~3 dB

i.e. If you have two 20 dB fans, the result is app. 23 dB. Two 25's would be app. 28 dB.

<edit> doh, just saw the previous answer....

~Zack