Is this a problem? Temps too high?

[egale]

I have Sonata II case with a fan in the front and back. It is a P5LD2 deluxe MB with a P4 3.4ghz (650), 2gb memory and a 7800 GT video card.

At idle, the CPU is running at 46 and the mb 42. As soon as the processor is put at any kind of load, the CPU temp shoots up to 56 degrees.

The machine is not being overclocked at all either.

Would temps be better in a different case?

 

[JBDan]

Yes & No. A lot of variables there...post some more specs plz and we will see what can be done. What fans and how fast? How is your wire management? How many HD's? I am a AMD junkie so my P4 temp knowledge is lacking. As for your temps, Galvanized Yankee has your chip if I am not mistaken. Maybe he will chime in. Or maybe Jedi Yoda...he has that chip as well I think.

 

[egale]

Just did a bit more testing. I ran 3dmark05. It reach a peak of 62 cpu and 47mb. I then opened up the case and tried again. With the case open, it reached a peak of 56 cpu and 40 mb, big difference.

At idle with the case open, it is now running at 40 cpu and 38 mb.

Is there a case that is great for cooling?

 

[JBDan]

Yes there are quite a few. What are your likes/dislikes/preferences for an enclosure? Black, silver, biege, mid tower, full tower, bling, door? You could narrow it down to these and you will get mucho responses here.

 

[egale]

Fair enough. I would say mid tower, black or silver. How does the Thermalrock Eclipse sound? I just really want something that will be as cool as possible without making a racket.

The Sonata II was supposed to be quiet but it is not. And it is not doing a good job of keeping things cool.

Also, just noticed that the 12v line runs at 12.4. Is that high enough to cause the system to overheat?

 

[Corporate Thug]

i dont think the PSU will cause a substantial temp increase

all things considered, i think your temps are fine

btw, are you using the 380W truepower???

 

[JBDan]

12.4 is fine. The Eclipse is a good cooling case. I had a Tsunami. It was a great cooling case. It resonated like a civ though. I prefer steel innards. Have you looked into the P180? LianLi I would recommend as well. Coolermaster also. Any case w/ the option of 2 120mm's (intake and exhaust) and a nice, unobstructed path from front bottem to rear exhaust will have the potential to run cool. The rest is up to you, your wire management, components, HSF's, fans, and psu. The SonataII is known to not be a good cooling case. Especially for a P4 imo. If you really want quiet! and good aircooling, the Antec P180 is near impossible to beat.

 

[egale]

The Sonata II has a 450W supply.

I looked at the P180 but it is big and heavy and I have heard that because of the placement of the power supply, you may have problems with the power cables not being long enough.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Hello egale.......
Let me jump into this...
I read the whole thread first of all your case temps are not fine!
But with that said ...you won`t lose a CPU or a vid card with those temps.....

I am running the P4 3.2 EE...let me tell you if you are using the stock heatsink thats about right for case temps....
If you are using a XP120 or a different heatsink well then we need to get into cable management and what type of fans as well as intake vs exhaust.....


here are my temps before I switched to the XP120.....

Intel stock heatsink...My systems
idle at approx 47c load is 74c

XP120 installed.....
idle--27c under load for 12 hrs-- approx 37
overclocked nearly the same temps

So if you are using a stock heatsink plz post as well as what heatsink you are using exactly!!

Also I seriously doubt its the case you are using!
Granted its not the best but what I am using is not the best iether.....

 

[egale]

I am using the stock heatsink. It was a retail CPU. How hard is it to get off?

 

[JEDIYoda]

well its not hard if you are careful....
I had my stock heatsink on my computer for I believe almost 2 years....
The stock heatsink should be as easy as pulling a clip...I know mine was...
All I did was lossen the white clip and i GENTLY so GENTLY exerted a little pressure and off it came....
never ever just pull as hard as you can....
Take your time!!

 

[sarcasticone]

I have a P4 3.0 Ghz. I looked on the Intel website and they have recommendations for the air flow. When I was looking for a case I was looking for one that had a side air duct among other things. I decided on an Aspire case, I know some people here don't care for them but they had a few cases that they built with the Intel P4 recommendations in mind. I did end up finding a couple other cases that had the side air duct after the fact but oh well.

The air duct sits right over the HS nicely, pulling cool air from outside the case right to the processor. I don't know if it really makes a difference or not though since I have nothing to compare to.

I also didn't use the HS that came with the processor after reading it was loud and didn't cool very well. I decided on using a Masscool copper HS. It had good reviews on Newegg from P4 users so I gave it a shot. I also wiped off the thermal grease it came with and used AS5. I'm sure a XP-90 or XP-120 would cool a lot better but I was affraid of it sitting to far off the MB and interfering with the air duct.

I want to say my idle temp is 37 and case temp is 28. Under load I don't think I've seen it go over 45. I will have to double check when I get home later but I'm satisfied with the numbers.

JEDIYoda:
Do you have a socket 478? Thats the way it seems by your instructions for removing the HS. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

egale:
You said you have a 650 processor so you have a LGA775 socket. Removal of the stock HS is easy. You will see four push style clips holding it to the MB. Take a flat head screw driver and turn them 90* counter-clockwise. Then gently pull up on each one to remove the clips from the MB. Then just gently remove the HS from the processor. Your going to want to clean the processor before you install the new HS.

At work, my computer has a P4 3.2 Ghz. It's also the LGA775 socket. The temps on that one were getting a bit hot as well so we switched the stock HS for an Arctic Cooling Freezer7. We also used AS5 instead of the stuff that was supplied. It dropped the processor temp quite a bit and it's really quiet. It runs at 780rpm at idle. Even at full speed this thing is quiet, the case fans are the loudest.

 

[JEDIYoda]

INTEL PENTIUM P4 3.2EE GHZ Extreme Edition (Socket 478)

 

[sarcasticone]

do they make adaptors or something to fit the XP-120 to a LGA775?

 

[andrewbabcock]

Is that a Prescott? If its a prescott then those temps are fine lol. Hottest processor ever made.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

All the TR coolers either fit, or have adapters for, sock-478, LGA775, sock-939, etc.

Check their web-site. I seem to recall a friend who recently observed that it was "kind of a PITA" to install an SI-120 on a socket-939 mobo. I don't know what difficulties you will face with the LGA775, but they are probably minimal or none.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

PS

I think the mobo temperature is "high." IMHO, if you cool down anything else contributing to the mobo temperature, the CPU idle value will drop also, provided you have already taken steps to assure minimum temperatures for the CPU (e.g, a good heatpipe cooler with good, low thermal resistance rating.)

I think the nvidia 7800 graphics cards are "pretty hot." And I think if you cool that down, the mobo temperatures will also come down. In addition, try sinking the Mosfets on the motherboard.

 

[egale]

I have been looking at alternate coolers instead of the intel P4 stock. I like the XP-120 but don't want to damage anything removing the mobo.

Is there a great, quiet cooler which wouldn't require the mobo to be removed to install it?

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

I looked at pics of your case at Newegg, it does not have a slide-out motherboard tray.
This fact will make up-grading the HSF a little harder to do because AFAIK there is no worthy
HSF to up-grade too that does not requior a new back plate to be installed. Remove your mainboard it is not hard to do. Then lower it in by gently holding onto the new HSF.

I have only built three rigs and am working on a fourth. In the future, for my use, a slide-out mobo tray is a must. The current case has no slide-out tray. This just makes it a little harder to work with.

Your question about "sinking". Mr.Duck was refering to installing heat sinks on the PLL chip and the mosfets. Someone will come along and tell us what the PLL's job is and where to find it on the board. The mosfets are small on my ASUS P4P 800 board 1/4"sq. they a part of the voltage regulation for the CPU. There are nine of them, they are located between the CPU and the rear of the board. There are mosfets in other areas of the board, the AGP slot uses one or two. Like i said they are small on Intel boards, there are three flat connections that are 1/32" wide the center one is just there,the outer two connect to the board. Heatsinks must be bonded to these, so removale is not an option.

Get a decent HSF. Reviews are stickied at the top of the page.

Galvanized

 

[sarcasticone]

well, the Arctic Cooling Freezer7 doesn't need the MB to be removed to be installed. It worked good for me on my computer at work, I might even mod a 120mm fan to the back instead of the 80mm that is there now. The reviews on Newegg have been mixed though. So whether this cooler is worth upgrading to or not, I don't know.

With the 120mm fan on the rear of your case, that would deffinately help exhaust the heat the Freezer7 pushes to the rear of the case.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

The vast majority of ATers discount reviews that are generated at Newegg. Four years ago i use to think they had some validity. Not anymore. Everyone wants to justify what they purchase.

Galvanized

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I agree.

I check those reviews for information and clues, but you have to take them with a grain of salt. I also suspect that NewEgg has a "policy" concerning the choice of reviews that they accept and post, even though people also post "negative reviews" of a product.

Touting NewEgg's reliability, prompt shipping and return policies seems to increase the chances that your submission will be posted.

Galvanized's remarks about the psychology that affects those posting reviews is also in the ball-park, and when someone says, for instance, "I over-clocked this processor to 4 Ghz with air-cooling and it is rock-stable," you don't know what "torture-test" programs they used or how long they ran them.

 

[sarcasticone]

I agree, I don't take there reviews as gold.

I also agree with how you said stating their prompt shipping seems to increase the chance of their review getting posted. A lot of times in the reviews on there I see people just saying something about the fast shipping and then nothing about the product.

So then, what are ATers feelings on the Freezer7? Just wondering if you feel it's to big? To Heavy? Doesn't cool enough? Does a good job cooling? Anything else? I haven't really found any reviews online other than e-tailers like Newegg.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I think the Freezer was compared to the ThermalRight XP and SI-120 coolers in a Hartware.de review of recent publication, and it didn't fare too well on "cooling effectiveness. It wasn't "bad," but the recent spectrum of products probably offer something better to a significant degree.

You'll probably find that Hartware.de review (a German testing and review site) in links posted in other threads on this page -- one in particular.