Is this a good case?

surfnron

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I looking at this case:
COOLER MASTER Praetorian 730 RC-730-KSN1 Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811119085#DetailSpecs
Is it a cool running case? How about noise?
I'll be running an Asus A8N_SLI Premiun, X2 3800, and an ASUS EN6600/TD/256 Geforce 6600 256MB DDR PCI Express x16 (Most likely setup at this time anyway) Probably not going to oc - stablilty and longevity are more important to me.
Can anyone suggest a quieter cpu fan?
Thanx ~
Ron
 

JEDIYoda

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Way over priced??? For who.....over all its a good solid case.
I have seen good reviews of that case.
With that said...I would guess that almost anything that costs more than the P180 people will call over priced?
yet--look it all the people waiting for the coolermaster stacker 830....supposedly maybe evn going to cost more than 2 bills......hhmmmmm.....
Define over priced...lol
 

Shadowknight

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To have a really quiet computer, you need a case that uses grommets for mounting hard drives. The P180 has this, the Coolermaster doesn't.
 

Operandi

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It's by no means overpriced, the CM made from 100% pure high quality AL. The difference between that and the P180's abundance of steel and plastic is perfound; weather it's important or worth it to you is debatable.

I've used several Lian Li, CoolerMasters, and Antecs; all I can say is I'll never go back to a steel/plastic case again.

Originally posted by: Shadowknight
To have a really quiet computer, you need a case that uses grommets for mounting hard drives. The P180 has this, the Coolermaster doesn't.

Soft mounting/ suspending the hard drives only makes a substantial difference in seek noise. Seek noise aside, you can create a very quiet machine with hard mounting the hard drives.
 

Shadowknight

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Operandi: I didn't mention drive suspension because the Coolemaster doesn't have room for suspending a hard drive, unless you take up a 5.25 bay for a Novibes III or somesuch. Aluminum resonates easier than steel, and part of the advantage of not attaching it directly to the case is the elimination of vibrational noise, which causes an audible "hum" through the case. This will be worse because of the aluminum construction.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Shadowknight
Operandi: I didn't mention drive suspension because the Coolemaster doesn't have room for suspending a hard drive, unless you take up a 5.25 bay for a Novibes III or somesuch. Aluminum resonates easier than steel, and part of the advantage of not attaching it directly to the case is the elimination of vibrational noise, which causes an audible "hum" through the case. This will be worse because of the aluminum construction.

Those are not factual statements....that are consistent over the broad spectrum of what people believe to be the truth!

In your experiences those statements are true.......
But in Operandi`s and others opinion just becuase you have rubber grommets does`nt necessarily make it a silent case.....

The jury is still out as to whether a suspended hard drive is actually quiter than one thats not suspended...

it has 2 - 80mm exhaust fans......with the right fans thats no issue......its better than one 80mm exhaust fan!!

Have fun!!
 

Shadowknight

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Shadowknight
Operandi: I didn't mention drive suspension because the Coolemaster doesn't have room for suspending a hard drive, unless you take up a 5.25 bay for a Novibes III or somesuch. Aluminum resonates easier than steel, and part of the advantage of not attaching it directly to the case is the elimination of vibrational noise, which causes an audible "hum" through the case. This will be worse because of the aluminum construction.

Those are not factual statements....that are consistent over the broad spectrum of what people believe to be the truth!
Aluminum has 1/3 the density of steel. The reduced weight makes it more prone to vibrate.

Please go to silentpcreview.com about this.

In your experiences those statements are true.......
But in Operandi`s and others opinion just becuase you have rubber grommets does`nt necessarily make it a silent case.....

There's no such thing as a silent case. But grommets DO lead to reduced vibrations vs. direct mounting.

The jury is still out as to whether a suspended hard drive is actually quiter than one thats not suspended...

Yes, it is. Reduced seek noise, reduced/eliminated vibrational noise.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Shadowknight
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Shadowknight
Operandi: I didn't mention drive suspension because the Coolemaster doesn't have room for suspending a hard drive, unless you take up a 5.25 bay for a Novibes III or somesuch. Aluminum resonates easier than steel, and part of the advantage of not attaching it directly to the case is the elimination of vibrational noise, which causes an audible "hum" through the case. This will be worse because of the aluminum construction.

Those are not factual statements....that are consistent over the broad spectrum of what people believe to be the truth!
Aluminum has 1/3 the density of steel. The reduced weight makes it more prone to vibrate.

Please go to silentpcreview.com about this.

In your experiences those statements are true.......
But in Operandi`s and others opinion just becuase you have rubber grommets does`nt necessarily make it a silent case.....

There's no such thing as a silent case. But grommets DO lead to reduced vibrations vs. direct mounting.

The jury is still out as to whether a suspended hard drive is actually quiter than one thats not suspended...

Yes, it is. Reduced seek noise, reduced/eliminated vibrational noise.

You see the problem is you have your p180 and I can take a case such as I have and I bet i could make is quiter than your p180 and I would venture temp wise cooler....provided your case is not passively water cooled....

You may ask how...Because I have a good grasp on the market and what makes up a quiet case......you talk about vibration yet in all honesty in my present case I have no discernable vibration....
When I have my fans all throttled down I have no discernable noise.....
I have almost the same idle as when my fans are maxed out....
Mainly becuase i have very good cable management and I have excellent airflow...
to achieve this it takes time and experimenting with your particular case....

Now lets discuss Aluminum has 1/3 the density of steel. The reduced weight makes it more prone to vibrate.

Please go to silentpcreview.com about this.

First of all as much as people use and I must admit they do know most of the time what they are talking about.....

But they blew it on the noise aspect of the zalman 9500........
You ask how did they blow it....
well i have a 9500 when i hooked it up for the first 30-45 minutes it was noisy as hell....a loud humming noise....
After the 45 minutes dead silence.
I even had to check it an hour later to make sure it was still running it was soo quiet...
As more recent reviews have commented on how quiet the heatsink is....
Thus I wouldn`t exactly take what SPCR would say as gospel truth.....

but we can go on and on about cases and noise etc,,,etc,,,as well as vibration....case modulation etc.....
It will tuen into a you say i say thing and we both know that your sold on the Antec and thats all well and good.
But your reasons though they sound true and though SPCR might corroberate them....another p180 user or even a coolermaster user mighgt say what you are saying as i said is not true accross the baord....

So we can agree to disagree....:)


 

Operandi

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Shadowknight has valid points. AL is less dense then steel and will resonate more then steel. Note resonance is a form of vibration but it's not something you can easily feel, but you can hear it.

A suspspended or soft mounted hard drive will be quieter then a hard mounted drive. In my own personal experience it has a huge impact on seek noise. Idle noise is harder to determine, but I'm sure it doesn?t hurt. The point here is suspending hard drives and soft mounting fans is the last step to be taken. It won't do anything to make a loud system quiet, it can only make an already quiet system more so.

For 90% of the people here the steel vs. AL argument is pointless since they won't bring there system down to that noise level anyway.