Is This a Case Ventilation Problem?

Somniferum

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I just replaced my 3500+ Venice with a 3800+ x2 Toledo ($92 @ Newegg). I have it running at 2.4Ghz, 1.3v (default voltage). It runs a bit hot -- 40C idle, low 50s while gaming, and maxes out at 60C when running dual-Prime95 to pin both cores at 100% load. Not really in the danger zone, but compared to what I've read on these forums, it does seem hot.

I have good cooling but not great -- replaced the 3500+ stock HSF with a ThermalTake Silent 939 K8 (mounted w/Arctic Silver V). I wanted something with heat pipes and a copper plate, but that did not require removing the mobo to install a backplate or some crazy docking mechanism. I looked at the Arctic Freezer 64 and similar models, but those things are gigantic and weigh a ton! The idea of strapping that thing to my mobo seems kind of frightening. I was also afraid it would not clear the transistors and RAM on my mobo (ASRock 939Dual-SATA2).

What got me thinking about case ventilation is that with the side panel removed, the maximum load temp while running dual-Prime95 drops from 60C to 54C. Also the idle temp drops from 40C to 35C. Obviously removing the cover is going to improve cooling, but that seems pretty drastic. Ambient temp in here is 76F (24C). Would a difference of 5-6C be indicative of a case ventilation problem? (I remember reading that a properly-ventilated case should actually run cooler with the cover on, due to airflow, but that seems counter-intuitive.)

My case is an Antec SX630-II that I've had for a few years, with front intake fan blowing in, rear exhaust fan blowing out. It's a bit cramped in there, with the long PCI-E vid card basically segmenting the interior in two. I also have 4 IDE drives, and although I replaced the ribbon cables with round IDE cables, they are still rather large (especially where they fan out to the IDE connectors).

So, bottom line -- does this sound like a case ventilation issue? Is there anything I can do to improve the airflow in this old case, or should I look at replacing it? Any suggestions for a good replacement? Or am I barking up the wrong tree entirely, and really in need of one of those monster CPU coolers that look like a giant ashtray? ;)

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 

Zepper

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Do this to it: http://www.techimo.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=9079 only with an 80 to 120mm adapter. It will make a lot of difference. And cut those restrictive grills out until you can do it (on the front too). If that doesn't do it, then cut a 90mm fan sized hole in the bottom front and put some sort of filter over it for an intake vent.

.bh.
 

VinDSL

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Originally posted by: Somniferum
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Sorry for being rudimentary, but since you're just upgrading....

Er...

You're old HSF isn't packed up with dust, cat hair, et cetera, is it?

Did you shine that thing up, when you had your machine apart?!?!?

*edit*

Oops! I should have kept reading...

Okay, theory #2: CPU isn't seated all the way in the socket -- grease wasn't applied correctly -- HSF isn't sitting flush... :D
 

Somniferum

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Originally posted by: VinDSL

Sorry for being rudimentary, but since you're just upgrading....

Er...

You're old HSF isn't packed up with dust, cat hair, et cetera, is it?

Did you shine that thing up, when you had your machine apart?!?!?

*edit*

Oops! I should have kept reading...

Okay, theory #2: CPU isn't seated all the way in the socket -- grease wasn't applied correctly -- HSF isn't sitting flush... :D

I'm pretty sure that's not the issue -- I applied the AS-V according to their website's instructions for the AMD x2 (tiny amount in the center of the heatspreader), and I made sure the HSF is seated properly and clamped into place. Temps are much lower at stock speeds -- it's not totally out of wack or anything. Normally OCing without raising the voltage doesn't raise temperature this much though. It's ~8C difference.

Edit -- forgot to mention, I cleaned all the fans, filters, etc. while I had the case open, using compressed air.
 

Somniferum

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Update -- I decided to move my optical drives around to create more space at the top of my case to put loose cables. Also removed my floppy drive that I forgot I even had in there; it died ages ago. Along with the floppy cable, it was actually taking up a fair amount of space. Then I rearranged all the cables in an effort to maximize airflow from the intake fan to the CPU, and from the CPU to the exhaust fan.

It didn't have a huge impact, but temps are a degree or two cooler all around.

Next I'm thinking about replacing the case fans. Both are stock Antec 120mm fans (my Enermax PSU also has 2 fans, but they are internal to the PSU so I will not be replacing those). Does anybody know a good website for reviews of case fans, or have recommendations? Fans tend to all look the same to me.
 

Zepper

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Check some of the recent fan threads here looking out for the link to the review of 29 fans.

.bh.
 

Zardnok

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Quite a few e-tailers are running specials on the Yate Loon 120mm fans which are fantastic coolers. Check the hotdeals forum and the usual suspects: SVC, Jab-tech, Nexfan, petrastechshop, et.al.

Also take a hard look at your case to see where you have heat being trapped and decide how to get it untrapped. Is it possible to cut a blowhole in the top of the case to mount a 120mm exhaust? Perhaps use some of the fansize adapters to add additional cooling. Regardless, the YL are cheap right now; I just ordered 10 from Jabtech for $28.
 

Boyo

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I like the Antec Tri-Cool fans. they have three speeds and cool great. They can be loud on the highest setting though. Check out Performance-PC's for different fans or Frozen CPU.