Is there such a thing as a non-liberal Democrat?

[Gaard]

Seriously, why all the shouts of "Liberal!"?

Or are the words interchangeable?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Seriously, why all the shouts of "Liberal!"?

Or are the words interchangeable?

Yes there is, there are the moderate democrates(DLC), but those folks often get called repub lights from the left.

 

[Pepsei]

Some people call me a conservative Democrat, while others call me a liberal Republican.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Is there such thing as a non-neocon Republican? Seriously, why all the shouts of "neo-con"? Or are the words interchangeable?

This isn't mocking you Gaard - but it brings up a rather decent point which people have tried to make before. Some people throw around "neo-con" and have no understanding of the word. I happen to know the difference between a democrat and a liberal and most of the time I use "left" to describe them as a whole. Liberals are easy to spot - Democrats sometimes are not , depending on how "moderate" they are.
IMO ofcourse.

Charrison brings up a good point about the DLC. "The Conservative wing of the Democrat party"

CkG

 

[Dari]

I'm one.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is there such thing as a non-neocon Republican? Seriously, why all the shouts of "neo-con"? Or are the words interchangeable?

This isn't mocking you Gaard - but it brings up a rather decent point which people have tried to make before. Some people throw around "neo-con" and have no understanding of the word. I happen to know the difference between a democrat and a liberal and most of the time I use "left" to describe them as a whole. Liberals are easy to spot - Democrats sometimes are not , depending on how "moderate" they are.
IMO ofcourse.

Charrison brings up a good point about the DLC. "The Conservative wing of the Democrat party"

CkG

Yes, that's a good point also.

Can we agree that you aren't automatically a Liberal if you are anti-Bush...and by the same token you aren't automatically a neocon if you are for Bush?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is there such thing as a non-neocon Republican? Seriously, why all the shouts of "neo-con"? Or are the words interchangeable?

This isn't mocking you Gaard - but it brings up a rather decent point which people have tried to make before. Some people throw around "neo-con" and have no understanding of the word. I happen to know the difference between a democrat and a liberal and most of the time I use "left" to describe them as a whole. Liberals are easy to spot - Democrats sometimes are not , depending on how "moderate" they are.
IMO ofcourse.

Charrison brings up a good point about the DLC. "The Conservative wing of the Democrat party"

CkG

Yes, that's a good point also.

Can we agree that you aren't automatically a Liberal if you are anti-Bush...and by the same token you aren't automatically a neocon if you are for Bush?

no

CkG

EDIT - forgot the smiley

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is there such thing as a non-neocon Republican? Seriously, why all the shouts of "neo-con"? Or are the words interchangeable?

This isn't mocking you Gaard - but it brings up a rather decent point which people have tried to make before. Some people throw around "neo-con" and have no understanding of the word. I happen to know the difference between a democrat and a liberal and most of the time I use "left" to describe them as a whole. Liberals are easy to spot - Democrats sometimes are not , depending on how "moderate" they are.
IMO ofcourse.

Charrison brings up a good point about the DLC. "The Conservative wing of the Democrat party"

CkG

Yes, that's a good point also.

Can we agree that you aren't automatically a Liberal if you are anti-Bush...and by the same token you aren't automatically a neocon if you are for Bush?

Why don't you also agree that just because someone supports a strong American foreign policy doesn't mean they're a neocon either.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is there such thing as a non-neocon Republican? Seriously, why all the shouts of "neo-con"? Or are the words interchangeable?

This isn't mocking you Gaard - but it brings up a rather decent point which people have tried to make before. Some people throw around "neo-con" and have no understanding of the word. I happen to know the difference between a democrat and a liberal and most of the time I use "left" to describe them as a whole. Liberals are easy to spot - Democrats sometimes are not , depending on how "moderate" they are.
IMO ofcourse.

Charrison brings up a good point about the DLC. "The Conservative wing of the Democrat party"

CkG

Yes, that's a good point also.

Can we agree that you aren't automatically a Liberal if you are anti-Bush...and by the same token you aren't automatically a neocon if you are for Bush?

no

CkG

EDIT - forgot the smiley

Damn neo-cons.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is there such thing as a non-neocon Republican? Seriously, why all the shouts of "neo-con"? Or are the words interchangeable?

This isn't mocking you Gaard - but it brings up a rather decent point which people have tried to make before. Some people throw around "neo-con" and have no understanding of the word. I happen to know the difference between a democrat and a liberal and most of the time I use "left" to describe them as a whole. Liberals are easy to spot - Democrats sometimes are not , depending on how "moderate" they are.
IMO ofcourse.

Charrison brings up a good point about the DLC. "The Conservative wing of the Democrat party"

CkG

Yes, that's a good point also.

Can we agree that you aren't automatically a Liberal if you are anti-Bush...and by the same token you aren't automatically a neocon if you are for Bush?

Why don't you also agree that just because someone supports a strong American foreign policy doesn't mean they're a neocon either.

Don't push it Dari.

 

[tallest1]

I guess I'll throw another question into the pot - This week, Roman828 tried to denounce Dari's credibility by calling him a liberal. Dissipate tried to knock down the credibility of acknowledged scientists and professors by calling them liberal.

My point is, the liberals use the term 'neo-con' for people they believe have an extremist view/agenda while conservatives use the term liberal [commie] for people they believe to be stupid. Are both views justified, much less appropriate?


Edit: As easy as it is to answer this question with a joke, an honest opinion wouldn't hurt.

 

[Romans828]

This week, Roman828 tried to denounce Dari's credibility by calling him a liberal.

No, no, and no once more...... That is not correct. When I applied the term "Liberal" with respect to Dari it had absolutely nothing to do with "creditbilty" it did pertain to a "double standard" with respect to MY perception/opinion that often time "liberals" like to sing the praises of free speech except when the dont like whats being said. Its at that point they turn ugly with personal attacks and often foul language.

My short time on this forum has only served to re-enforce my position. I dont know anyone here yet I have been called stupid, dangerous, ignorant, beneath contempt etc.

Liberals can dish it out but they sure cant take it

 

[Romans828]

while conservatives use the term liberal [commie] for people they believe to be stupid

Obviously I don't speak for all conservatives, but I never use the term liberal in that context. In fact I would hardly consider the true liberals I associate with to be "stupid" at all. I would even go so far to say that many liberals are among the "brightest" people period.

I believe there are plenty of "smart" liberals and conservatives as well as dumb. Political ideals are not IQ dependant.

With respect to the original posters questions

Seriously, why all the shouts of "Liberal!"?

Or are the words interchangeable?

I say yes for the most part and thats the problem. Its also why I asked last week why the democatic party had been hyjacked so far left. It seems so far removed from what it was when I was growing up. Additionally living in the southeast its easy to see that its certainly no where near the "good-old-boy" party of yesteryear.

Face it when the national democratic platform includes blanks for Gay rights, unrestricted rights to abortion, income redistribution, govermental control and social experimentation its going to be labled as liberal.

I think the saying goes "if the shoe fits"

 

[tallest1]

Sorry if my question indirectly came off as an attack on ya Romans828. unintentional

 

[Romans828]

Sorry if my question indirectly came off as an attack on ya Romans828. unintentional

No problem and THANK YOU (seriously) for being so polite and apologizing even though you hadnt done anything wrong.

I hope people here will eventually see that I too really try to respect all my fellow men and that definately includes liberals.

I am only here to trade toughts and ideas with other computer geeks.....


Thanks for setting a good example

 

[glugglug]

Actually, it's like this:

Look up liberal at dictionary.com. You'll find the true meaning of the word (from before Reagan and Bush Sr. turned it into a curse word) to essentially be "open to new ideas & change". Almost none of the Democrat party presidential candidates fit this description! Neither do most Democrat politicians in general. Sadly, most of the people using the term liberal today have no idea what the word actually means.

Most people at least know the meaning of conservative. (If you have doubts, look that up too). NONE of the Bush regime members are actually conservative. Probably why the term neo-con was coined to describe the people claiming to be conservative, but who are actually fascist.

 

[Romans828]

Probably why the term neo-con was coined to describe the people claiming to be conservative, but who are actually fascist.

If loving your country, your freedom, and God make me a "Facist" than so be it........

Some things are worth fighting for both at home and abroad.

BTW......

I would take so called facism over communism or socialism any day.... Its a far better choice

Trust me "Romans" know about these things..........

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Probably why the term neo-con was coined to describe the people claiming to be conservative, but who are actually fascist.

umm, no.

Many people here use it interchangeably with what they might consider to be fascist but thats not what the word was coined to mean.

 

[Moonbeam]

The truth and falseness of the left and right are resolved in a higher synthesis, the alchemy of higher consciousness.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Is there such a thing as a non-liberal Democrat?

Yes, look at Joe Lieberman.

 

[0roo0roo]

its just a strawman.

 

[jhu]

there's always the dixiecrats

 

[SuperTool]

Clinton

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard
Seriously, why all the shouts of "Liberal!"?

Or are the words interchangeable?

Yes there is, there are the moderate democrates(DLC), but those folks often get called repub lights from the left.

The correct term is white southern democrats. The opposite of these people are white New England/Left Coast Republicans.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder

Is there such a thing as a non-liberal Democrat?

Yes, look at Joe Lieberman.

Hes the only one(practically) north of the mason dixon. Although he is pretty liberal on certain issues.