Is there anything conservatives and "independents" won't BothSides?

[agent00f]

Now, I get the feeling this'll turn out pretty rhetorical, with our BothSides experts helping out as they claim with no sense of irony that Trumpsters also ask rhetorical questions, and are therefore no worse.

But seriously, maybe there's areas where liberals aren't just as bad. No doubt an oversight by the leftards, soon to be rectified by the BothSides equivalence search party.

 

[NTMBK]

Wat

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Ahhhh poor thing so upset the independents and moderates won't join in on the crazy both sides put forth.

 

[momeNt]

Don't worry. With how divisive the political landscape has come, we will emerge as two separate races, which will be more distinguishable than our previously understood ideas of race.

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/14/51517...isive-politics-both-sides-stick-to-themselves

A growing number of singles are adding a clause to their online dating profiles telling either Trump haters or Trump supporters — depending on their political preference — that they need not apply.

I'm not sure what these two new races are going to look like, I suppose we'll know in like 40 years, but I suspect that we will be innately be able to tell the difference, as if it was something visible, like color.

 

[Moonbeam]

Ahhhh poor thing so upset the independents and moderates won't join in on the crazy both sides put forth.

Poor thing, so upset that he looks to you like he wants them to. What threat are you experiencing? I'm sure you have no idea.

 

[interchange]

Now, I get the feeling this'll turn out pretty rhetorical, with our BothSides experts helping out as they claim with no sense of irony that Trumpsters also ask rhetorical questions, and are therefore no worse.

But seriously, maybe there's areas where liberals aren't just as bad. No doubt an oversight by the leftards, soon to be rectified by the BothSides equivalence search party.

Can you please make your arguments a bit more specific and concrete for me? I get the abstract idea, but I'm probably not following this forum / the world with enough detail to see exactly who / what you are referring to.

 

[agent00f]

Can you please make your arguments a bit more specific and concrete for me? I get the abstract idea, but I'm probably not following this forum / the world with enough detail to see exactly who / what you are referring to.

It relates to a previous thread concerning the nature of our political ecosystem: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...rest-to-be-as-degenerate-as-possible.2498580/

In short no matter how degenerate the actions of some party, they + pals will attempt to sell the narrative that others are just as bad, and probably more responsible for whatever reason. Witness @Jaskalas and @Hayabusa Rider et al desperately trying to blame Trump on liberals and such instead of people who actually supported/helped the GOP, such as themselves. Another reiteration: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...wsmax-repeat-fake-news.2499357/#post-38739157

A case in point:

Ahhhh poor thing so upset the independents and moderates won't join in on the crazy both sides put forth.

Now, it's hardly any surprise that the most conservative find this desirable, since it provides cover for their natural degeneracy. But what's more interesting is why "fair and balanced independents" are so motivated. Let's actually start with @Blackjack200 's suitable intro/insight: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/for-the-left-going-tea-party.2499329/page-4#post-38739620. What's additionally notable there is Haya-Rider's reply which completely validates the claim that these BothSiders have zero evidence for their trite proclamations.

Now with this exhibit in hand, let's ponder what can motivate these sorts who are hardly observant nor thoughtful. What if someone told them they're actually the smart ones not just despite these deficiencies but because of them. Thus the creation of the clever dispassionate observer who can readily tell between two claims of 2+2=4 and 2+2=22 that both have their equivalent faults; this is the american "independent". It's not dissimilar to the other typical conservative recruitment strategy of telling the uneducated they're the Real geniuses for seeing right through the education agenda.

They're not necessarily the root cause of our political problem, but certainly an integral party of the ecosystem to amplify the degeneracy as explained in the previous thread.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Ahhh poor thing doesn't like people believing that Both Sides have crazies. These crazies are equally bad for the country as the thrive on division.

 

[agent00f]

Ahhh poor thing doesn't like people believing that Both Sides have crazies. These crazies are equally bad for the country as the thrive on division.

Helpful exhibit of their aforementioned cognitive simplicity.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

When the answer is simple why waste words? Raildogg described you perfectly. You're a devisive troll, cut and dry.

 

[ivwshane]

Helpful exhibit of their aforementioned cognitive simplicity.

Well you know one of their favorite things to do is to repeat things often enough that they feel true. I guess he's down in the feels right now.

 

[ivwshane]

When the answer is simple why waste words? Raildogg described you perfectly. You're a devisive troll, cut and dry.

Raildogg is exactly the sort of person he is talking about! Lol!

 

[raildogg]

Raildogg is exactly the sort of person he is talking about! Lol!

This forum is the perfect example of how the elites control both sides and then pit them against each other.

You all have fun debating about Democrats vs Republicans while your owners laugh at you.

Heavily conditioned leftists aren't any better than heavily conditioned right wingers. Sorry I don't buy into partisan politics.

When your average person fights each other over "left vs right," the only winners are the ruling class. They are dividing us using these false narratives. Please think for yourselves. We need it in order to stop the madness in this world.

Let's not fight each other over these false narratives that the ruling class give us. We need to look beyond it.

Let's take back our world and work with each other. We don't need to be hostile to each other.

 

[ivwshane]

This forum is the perfect example of how the elites control both sides and then pit them against each other.

You all have fun debating about Democrats vs Republicans while your owners laugh at you.

Heavily conditioned leftists aren't any better than heavily conditioned right wingers. Sorry I don't buy into partisan politics.

I agree. The problem for you is that the amount of heavily conditioned lefties in government and on this forum and out protesting doesn't compare to the amount of retarded righties in all facets of politics. So while you may dismiss most criticism of trump, the GOP, or the right, as noise from the extreme left, what you don't do is engage or counter their arguments with facts. You've already committed the act of the very thing you complain the elite are trying to manipulate others as doing, you've painted groups of people with broad strokes in order to ignore them. I'm guessing its because you, along with others who exhibit similar behavior are intellectually lazy or frustrated and have simply thrown your hands up. Its completely understandable but realize that you are part of the problem. You normalize the actual noise by claiming everything is noise.

 

[raildogg]

Ok. No problem. You are right. I'm part of the problem.

Then what? What are we going to do now? Fight each other and call each other names on a forum?

Because that is exactly what our corporate and political bosses want. They don't want a public that is harmonious and works together. Unfortunately, we people are working against each other rather than working together.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

They can't stand moderates/independents trying find to middle ground and working from there. It's either the hard right or left position or nothing at all.

 

[raildogg]

They can't stand moderates/independents trying find to middle ground and working from there. It's either the hard right or left position or nothing at all.

That's the thing - why even be so political at all? It's not like we are running for office. People are calling each other so many mean things over some corrupt political leaders that don't care about you at all. We have people so involved with politics despite the fact that they won't run for office. They put so much energy and passion into something that ultimately isn't going to help anyone (if it will, it will only help the very, very few).

We show these politicians, whom we probably never met, more respect than our fellow human being. We are willing to fight our fellow man over some corrupt politician and his petty little political views.

 

[LevelSea]

Wat

This seems likes it's better suited for a blog that no one reads. Or a thinly veiled callout thread. How about sending a pm to those people instead?

 

[ivwshane]

That's the thing - why even be so political at all? It's not like we are running for office. People are calling each other so many mean things over some corrupt political leaders that don't care about you at all. We have people so involved with politics despite the fact that they won't run for office. They put so much energy and passion into something that ultimately isn't going to help anyone (if it will, it will only help the very, very few).

We show these politicians, whom we probably never met, more respect than our fellow human being. We are willing to fight our fellow man over some corrupt politician and his petty little political views.

Because this people indirectly put the politicians you complain about in office. If they won't listen to reasoning and facts, then what's left except name calling and shaming?

You cannot reason with people who don't agree on reality.

 

[agent00f]

When the answer is simple why waste words? Raildogg described you perfectly. You're a devisive troll, cut and dry.

I've presented the empirical facts of the matter, facts which perhaps paint various people in a poor light, but that's just how it works. Given one fact is that it's not in the cards for them to understand empirical reality, there's no mystery why they get angry at that fact and its messenger. Won't worry though, the "independents" will carry your water as is their place to.

This forum is the perfect example of how the elites control both sides and then pit them against each other.

You all have fun debating about Democrats vs Republicans while your owners laugh at you.

Heavily conditioned leftists aren't any better than heavily conditioned right wingers. Sorry I don't buy into partisan politics.

When your average person fights each other over "left vs right," the only winners are the ruling class. They are dividing us using these false narratives. Please think for yourselves. We need it in order to stop the madness in this world.

Let's not fight each other over these false narratives that the ruling class give us. We need to look beyond it.

Let's take back our world and work with each other. We don't need to be hostile to each other.

Given that the goal of about half the country is a return to pre-enlightenment values, "working together" to get there is largely antithetical to opposing goals for students of said period.

If anyone's noticed, the class war is over, the owners won with generous help from the dumbshits. The only thing left is to make the most of the situation, which means getting into a position to generate value for owners, where education and other enlightenment virtues are fortunately of use. Other than some handouts for votes, the dumbshits are going to be sold down the river soon enough, and given the circumstances I honestly can't say liberals should get in the way.