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Is there any way to write a CD so that the CD player thinks its a retail CD?

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cchen

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I just got a new honda accord and the cd player only reads "retail" cd's. Is there any way to write a cdr so that the cd player will read it?
 
Actually im not sure on that one. You may want to try a different brand of CD-R's if you are having trouble reading them. Maybe even some that say "For Audio CD recording"
 
No, its not the brand. The cd player only takes retail cd's. there must be something in the table of contents of the cd that specifies this?
 
I'm just guessing here, but I think what they're trying too say is it doesn't play CD-R/RW's. You need a second laser in the player to read CD-R's and RW's.

If that's the case, your SOL.

Have you tried any burned CD's? Be sure to finalize them; there's a better chance of being able to play that format in non-PC CD players.

 
I'd try a few different brands and some cd-rws, but if nothing works, just go to best buy and get a cheap new car cd player.
 
Don't tell me RIAA is threatening to sue car makers if their OEM CD-players can use CD-Rs (wouldn't exactly suprise me)?

I only use burned CDs in my car because I already ruined 2 bought CDs through scratching (changing CDs while driving and not having time to put the disc away properly and then just plain forgetting it until days later).

I think I would freak out if my car stereo couldn't play my burnt stuff... might as well go back to a cassette unit instead and wire up a discman like in the old days.
 
It may very well be reading the ATIP information, and determining it's a recordable CD from that(only recordables have ATIP; it's what specifies max recording speed, etc). I would give an "audio CD" a shot just for the heck of it, as CD-replicators for example, will check the ATIP to see if it's a "taxed" CD, in which case it's ok to burn to it.
 
sounds to me like you recorded on data CDs rather than Audio CDs.

I don't know what the actual difference is, but it is clearly marked on CD packaging when you buy blanks.


(had the same experience here a while ago)

 
I always thought it was because a more powerful laser was needed to read CDr's because of the dye. There is nothing you can do about this, you might have luck with different brands of media, but there is no way to fool the cd player, some CD players just don't read burned CDs.
 
Originally posted by: thraxes
Don't tell me RIAA is threatening to sue car makers if their OEM CD-players can use CD-Rs (wouldn't exactly suprise me)?

I only use burned CDs in my car because I already ruined 2 bought CDs through scratching (changing CDs while driving and not having time to put the disc away properly and then just plain forgetting it until days later).

I think I would freak out if my car stereo couldn't play my burnt stuff... might as well go back to a cassette unit instead and wire up a discman like in the old days.
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I can't really see that happening... you should be able to make back-up copies of your CDs for the very reason that you illustrated... as soon as a buy a CD, I make a copy and just use it, so that I don't scratch the original. It's nice... doesn't matter if you end up scratching it, losing it, or whatever...

I'd also have to assume that it has something to do with the media you're using to burn... I don't know the difference between "audio" cdr's and normal ones, but I'd guess that your cd player is just being picky.
 
Prolly got paid off by the RIAA, anyways u can either get a different stero installed into ur car at bestbuy or just pick up a car kit walkman and run that for cd's.
 
Normal CD-R's have a reflectivity of about 70%, compared to 10 to 15% for CD-RW's.

You cannot "burn" a retail CD.. they are pressed, and they lack the ATIP data that CD-R's have.

Car CD players are notorious for being pick about CD-R brand, my suggestion is to pick up a few different ones and try them out.

I doubt your CD player has been designed NOT to play burned CD's specifically, however... Unless the RIAA is sinking to new lows, which is entirely possible...

RIAA = kiss my ass :|

🙂
 
Originally posted by: Insidious
sounds to me like you recorded on data CDs rather than Audio CDs.

I don't know what the actual difference is, but it is clearly marked on CD packaging when you buy blanks.


(had the same experience here a while ago)
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The only difference is that an "audio CD" has had a tax payed to the RIAA, and the ATIP information notes that. Nothing else is different.
 
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Insidious
sounds to me like you recorded on data CDs rather than Audio CDs.

I don't know what the actual difference is, but it is clearly marked on CD packaging when you buy blanks.


(had the same experience here a while ago)
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The only difference is that an "audio CD" has had a tax payed to the RIAA, and the ATIP information notes that. Nothing else is different.
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There is one other difference.... One kind will work in his car and the other won't. 😀
 
Originally posted by: Insidious
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Insidious
sounds to me like you recorded on data CDs rather than Audio CDs.

I don't know what the actual difference is, but it is clearly marked on CD packaging when you buy blanks.


(had the same experience here a while ago)
Click to expand...

The only difference is that an "audio CD" has had a tax payed to the RIAA, and the ATIP information notes that. Nothing else is different.
Click to expand...

There is one other difference.... One kind will work in his car and the other won't. 😀
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Only if the car checks the ATIP info, and has a fit if it's not a taxed CD. The layers, the dies, and everything else technology wise is the same.
 
Depends on the car, I'm surprised that a new car cd player would have a problem with burned discs that wasn't because of just being picky about media quality. I know an old early 90s Caddy cd player wouldn't play cdrs. The alpine unit in my old truck read tdk/memorex just fine and my new ford's brand player has no problems either (hell, some new 03 models have mp3 players built in).
 
Have you tried silver ones? Have you tried disabling the "copyright" bit when burning? Burning at slower speeds? Cleaning the lens? How about ripping out the head unit and bringing it to an undisclosed meadow and bashing it to pieces with a baseball bat and two of your friends?
 
Originally posted by: Chain777
I'm just guessing here, but I think what they're trying too say is it doesn't play CD-R/RW's. You need a second laser in the player to read CD-R's and RW's.

If that's the case, your SOL.

Have you tried any burned CD's? Be sure to finalize them; there's a better chance of being able to play that format in non-PC CD players.
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I don't think you need multiple lasers - the laser circuitry must be calibrated to increase the signal gain when it is reading media with a lower reflectivity, like CD-R's and CD-RW's. I have a DVD player that is like this; it can not read CD-R's or CD-RW's. Strangely enough, it does read DVD-R's, though there's a different set of standards at work there.


Originally posted by: Insidious
sounds to me like you recorded on data CDs rather than Audio CDs.

I don't know what the actual difference is, but it is clearly marked on CD packaging when you buy blanks.


(had the same experience here a while ago)
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That doesn't matter. I always have used regular data CD-R's for audio, and it works just fine.

 
Originally posted by: Insidious
sounds to me like you recorded on data CDs rather than Audio CDs.

I don't know what the actual difference is, but it is clearly marked on CD packaging when you buy blanks.


(had the same experience here a while ago)
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That doesn't matter. I always have used regular data CD-R's for audio, and it works just fine.[/quote]


Same here
 
Originally posted by: Booty
Originally posted by: thraxes
Don't tell me RIAA is threatening to sue car makers if their OEM CD-players can use CD-Rs (wouldn't exactly suprise me)?

I only use burned CDs in my car because I already ruined 2 bought CDs through scratching (changing CDs while driving and not having time to put the disc away properly and then just plain forgetting it until days later).

I think I would freak out if my car stereo couldn't play my burnt stuff... might as well go back to a cassette unit instead and wire up a discman like in the old days.
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I can't really see that happening... you should be able to make back-up copies of your CDs for the very reason that you illustrated...
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...but the RIAA, in their greed, likes to ignore the fact that fair use exists, and will continue trying to make sure we can't copy CDs, so if we accidentally scratch them in our cars, we will have to pay through the nose to buy new replacements. :disgust: :|
 
BTW here's a little scoop about them: Feurio info

It seems to be only a CD-Writer thing, i.e,. those stand-alone CD writers will only accept the taxed CDs.

It'd be hard for me to believe your car stereo is discriminating based on ATIP information, more likely, it's just a POS 🙂
 
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