Is there any performance difference between the 333 and 400 AMD XP chips?

[Rhin0]

guys,

I might be building a third computer here with slightly older parts. This will be for a friend. Will be going with an Athlon XP since I already have a AMD XP motherboard handy. Was there any performance advantage going with the 400mhz over the 333mhz? I thought I read somewhere that the 333 was actually faster, I can't remember if that is correct though.

I am looking at one of the mid priced ones. Maybe an XP 2300 or so... Might spend a little extra to get the 400 if it is worth it. FYI- most likely will be running Corsair Valueselect or OCZ value line ram.




thanks for any information!
Rhin0

 

[beserker15]

yeah, i think it makes like a 2-3% difference in performance, not too much.

 

[ts3433]

The only ones with 200MHz (it's a DDR bus) FSB are the 3000+ (one variation of it) and 3200+, which are both very poor values against A64s, so I wouldn't recommend them. Try a 2500, maybe a mobile 2200 or 2400 if you can overclock a little.

 

[miketheidiot]

I beleieve that all old XPallow for lower multiples, even the locked ones.

 

[Rhin0]

Cool... well I got it set up where my buddy can get into this system for about $500 dollars with a monitor and be able to run Desert combat maxed out at 1024x768x32. That is all that matters that he can play that with us. He'll even be able to run HL2 and stuff on probably low-med or medium just fine

Probably end up just getting his the ~$75 XP chip...

-Case (have)
-PSU (have)
-CPU $75
-Mobo $80 (friend selling his to my other friend)
-80gig SATA 7200 RPM $80
-512mb Corsair value select $60
-Abit FX5600 OTES 128mb (80 bucks, friend is selling his to him)
-NEC FE700 Perfect Flat $85.00 (lease/refurb)
-DVD rom- $20
-floppy (have)


Will be nice to help my friend get a system his laptop is terrible and he loves desert combat

 

[Rhin0]

Originally posted by: ts3433
The only ones with 200MHz (it's a DDR bus) FSB are the 3000+ (one variation of it) and 3200+, which are both very poor values against A64s, so I wouldn't recommend them. Try a 2500, maybe a mobile 2200 or 2400 if you can overclock a little.

I know but we already have a NF7 motherboard (extra one) that he will be using...

 

[ts3433]

I knew that beforehand, but they're still poor values nonetheless.

Stay away from the FX 5xxx series of nV graphics cards. For $80 or a little more you can probably pick up a 9500 Pro or 9600 Pro. A little over $100 would probably get you a 9700 Pro.

 

[Rhin0]

Originally posted by: ts3433
I knew that beforehand, but they're still poor values nonetheless.

Stay away from the FX 5xxx series of nV graphics cards. For $80 or a little more you can probably pick up a 9500 Pro or 9600 Pro. A little over $100 would probably get you a 9700 Pro.

Ok well you are opening my eyes that I might be able to get him a little bit more for the money. I am going to have to talk to my other friend and explain the value of his parts is a lot lower since the A64 came out. Going to have to get a better deal.
The FX5600 isn't great I know, I mean it was a flop but the card performs great on desert combat and it ran doom 3 ok. It isn't that bad! The point is we already have it. But I will keep in mind what you have said.

let me ask you this... What would you recommend for $400 then? I don't think I can do anything else with that little money. I'll see what I can do about the video card but I might be able to get it as cheap at 50 bucks. I'll just see what happens I guess.

I'll keep you updated, how about that?

 

[LTC8K6]

Yep, 5600 is not a good card at all. I wouldn't give $80 for it.

 

[Rhin0]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Yep, 5600 is not a good card at all. I wouldn't give $80 for it.

I know it was a dud card for NV but have you guys ever used one? It seriously isn't that bad... I'll have to get my friend to come down on the price then if you think it really is that bad. I definately don't want to get my other buddy a bad deal. Just trying to get him into a better computer so he can actually play some games with us....

what are friends for?!?!

 

[beserker15]

yeah, it's not too bad. it should perform similiar to a geforce 4 and should still run alot of games.

 

[ts3433]

It's not that it's a really bad card--it'll probably do okay with slightly older games, but all the FX series cards are known to be bad at DX9 (HL2 even forces a DX8 codepath on all those cards). Besides, you can find better value (especially for $80 or a little more) in the 9500 or 9600 series (avoid most 9550s, though there's one that is supposed to overclock really well) from ATI.

I'm sure that picking up another Barton would be a good idea in this case, actually--just not an XP 3000+ or something. Try a mobile 2200 or 2400 (the stock FSB is 266, but your board probably won't even recognize it correctly anyway) with some sort of inexpensive cooler (some people have had good luck with Speezes, I use a Zalman 3100) and overclock it; it's fairly easy to do (no multiplier lock) and should hit at least XP 3200+ (11x200) speeds with no problem. You probably wouldn't be CPU limited with graphics cards till you hit maybe the 6800 level. (I should warn you, though, that if this NF7 happens to be the NF7-S2, you can't get a mobile because the board has no multiplier adjustment. Aside from verifying that you can also adjust multipliers on your board, make sure the board can get to 200MHz FSB--if not, your overclocking options will be a tad limited, though you may at least be able to get 180.)

 

[Rhin0]

Thanks guys.

I am going to have to say that if my buddy could get a 9700 or something for around 100 bucks that you are right it would be stupid to buy that fx 5600 for 80 dollars

my other friend is just going to have to give it up cheaper than that

 

[boatillo]

-Case (have)
-PSU (have)
-CPU $75
-Mobo $80 (friend selling his to my other friend) - 80 for a socket A is a lot, unless this is like the top of the line asus deluxe
-80gig SATA 7200 RPM $80 - SATA is pointless in this setup, you will never transfer 150mb/s = save some dough and get an IDE drive...BB had an 80gig WD for $25 a couple days ago
-512mb Corsair value select $60 - Check out Outpost.com, they had better ram than this for cheaper recently
-Abit FX5600 OTES 128mb (80 bucks, friend is selling his to him) - Ati offers a tradeup $50 rebate on some of their cards, you can get the Ati Radeon 9600XT for like $102 after 10% coupon and sending them *ANY* old graphics card...I dont know where youll find an 9700pro for $100 though.
-NEC FE700 Perfect Flat $85.00 (lease/refurb) - Office Max is selling a flatscreen 19"CRT (KDS brand) for $67 AR
-DVD rom- $20
-floppy (have)


I own a geforce 5600 as well...while I was pretty letdown by its initial performance when I installed it (and the price I got gouged at) people really make it seem like its some pile of trash when in actuality its just slightly slower than the Ati cards (9600's) it was competing against. That goes for ALL the fx5xxx series, nvidia just got caught sleeping by Ati but all the cards still compete fine.

 

[LTC8K6]

IIRC, the 5600 is pretty consistently beaten by the older ti4 series cards.

The only decent 5600 was the last batch of 5600Ultras with the Flip Chip GPU packaging.

 

[cubeless]

i got a 5600u from pny when i returned a broken ti4200... it definitely performs better than even a 4200 oc'd to better than 4400 numbers... but the 5600u doesn't oc hardly at all...

 

[Netopia]

I would go with this CPU:

AMD Mobile Athlon XP-M 2200+, 266 MHz FSB, 512K L2 Cache Processor, 35 Watt- OEM.

These chips are TOTALLY unlocked and have TWICE the L2 Cache of the chip you were looking at. These mobile ones are designed for laptops (although they are just regular chips for the most part) and run at VERY low voltages (1.35 W)... but the great thing is that they overclock insanely! It's about $2 more than the price you have listed, but if you look at the reviews of the people who have bought them, you'll see that 2.2GHz (3200+ speed) is pretty much a given. I've got one that is running at 2415MHz @ only 1.65 volts! (210*11.5). I can't tell you the temp because it's on a linux box and I don't have any equivilent of Motherboar Monitor in Linux.

A friend bought one to replace his 2500+ which was running at 1833. He's currently running his at 2200 @ 1.625 volts and his average temp has dropped about 6 degrees!

Anyway... getting one of these will give your friend WAY MORE potential for the buck than getting a normal desktop Athlon XP. I've got a number of these mobile ones and they ALL overclock like crazy and do so at lower temps too!

Just thought I'd throw this in....

Joe

 

[asm0deus]

i agree, unlocked multipliers is a great feature, particularly when you get a mobo that lets you adjust multipliers also.

 

[cmv]

Originally posted by: Netopia
I would go with this CPU:

AMD Mobile Athlon XP-M 2200+, 266 MHz FSB, 512K L2 Cache Processor, 35 Watt- OEM.

These chips are TOTALLY unlocked and have TWICE the L2 Cache of the chip you were looking at. These mobile ones are designed for laptops (although they are just regular chips for the most part) and run at VERY low voltages (1.35 W)... but the great thing is that they overclock insanely! It's about $2 more than the price you have listed, but if you look at the reviews of the people who have bought them, you'll see that 2.2GHz (3200+ speed) is pretty much a given. I've got one that is running at 2415MHz @ only 1.65 volts! (210*11.5). I can't tell you the temp because it's on a linux box and I don't have any equivilent of Motherboar Monitor in Linux.

A friend bought one to replace his 2500+ which was running at 1833. He's currently running his at 2200 @ 1.625 volts and his average temp has dropped about 6 degrees!

Anyway... getting one of these will give your friend WAY MORE potential for the buck than getting a normal desktop Athlon XP. I've got a number of these mobile ones and they ALL overclock like crazy and do so at lower temps too!

Just thought I'd throw this in....

Joe

lmsensors!