Is there any historical evidence other than the gospels to support Jesus Christ existence?

[Mucho]

We know the Greeks and Romans kept very accurate historical records, so did they write any thing about Jesus Christ and his crucifixion?

 

[iamwiz82]

I believe that there are very good roman and greek records of him.

 

[broon]

Yes.

 

[GeneValgene]

tacitus was one...here's a link on wikipedia. he mentions jesus in his annals:

tacitus
excerpt

another was pliny the younger...another wikipedia link

pliny the younger

josephus was a jewish historian who mentions him...he is a reputable historian, but some scholars think some early christians might have jacked wtih his writings in the past

 

[Analog]

There's actually a Jewish philosopher that has very good records of him as well.

 

[GeneValgene]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
There's actually a Jewish philosopher that has very good records of him as well.

yea...i think that's josephus. however, some think that his records of jesus are a little too good, if you know what i mean. see my post above

 

[aidanjm]

there is some interesting evidence that Jesus spent the last decades of his life in India (of all places) in an area near Cashmere, where he was revered as a holy man

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
there is some interesting evidence that Jesus spent the last decades of his life in India (of all places) in an area near Cashmere, where he was revered as a holy man

was that in some apocryphal writing?

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
there is some interesting evidence that Jesus spent the last decades of his life in India (of all places) in an area near Cashmere, where he was revered as a holy man

lol - you mean Kashmir? ehehhe

i just pictured Jesus in a Cashmere sweater. 😀

 

[Mucho]

Originally posted by: GeneValgene
tacitus was one...here's a link on wikipedia. he mentions jesus in his annals:

tacitus
excerpt

another was pliny the younger...another wikipedia link

pliny the younger

josephus was a jewish historian who mentions him...he is a reputable historian, but some scholars think some early christians might have jacked wtih his writings in the past

Tacitus on Jesus: However, the text merely mentions that Christians existed, which is not generally in doubt, and that they had founding in someone called "Christ" executed by Pilate, a statement that could have come merely from a conversation with a Christian, rather than a statement of fact.

 

[ravana]

That image would make an interesting painting to have in your living room.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22

Originally posted by: aidanjm
there is some interesting evidence that Jesus spent the last decades of his life in India (of all places) in an area near Cashmere, where he was revered as a holy man

was that in some apocryphal writing?

supposedly there are some meticulous historical records of a "holy" guy who died at a very old age (around 80 I think, 80 years after Jesus birth) in that area of the world. The Indians kept some detailed records of this holy guy's life, which had some odd parralels with jesus, to the point where some historians wonder if they weren't the same individual. The religious tradition of sending out holy men to find an infant, who is the incarnation of a holy man who has died, was prevalent in that time in that area. the whole thing with the three wise men, travelling from the orient - they may have been basically buddhist monks going to meet & greet with the latst reincarnation of one of their deceased holy men (born into the baby Jesus - that is what they would have believed; just as the Dalai Lama was "found" by monks when he was a baby and assumed to be the reincarnation of a deceased monk). is some evidence they came back to pick him up when he was an older child, and that he received a spiritual education in India during his teenage years. christianity itself contains a weird synthesis of elements from Buddism as well as Judaism. The whole love thy neighbor/ turn the other cheek thing was totally out of left field, there is nothing in Judaism to support that philosophical approach to life. That's the basic outline of the theory. Not sure where you could get more info, as saw this on a television doco.
edit: ok. here's a link

 

[HardcoreRobot]

JESUS LIVES

whoops, i guess i got him confused with elvis

 

[GeneValgene]

Originally posted by: Mucho

Originally posted by: GeneValgene
tacitus was one...here's a link on wikipedia. he mentions jesus in his annals:

tacitus
excerpt

another was pliny the younger...another wikipedia link

pliny the younger

josephus was a jewish historian who mentions him...he is a reputable historian, but some scholars think some early christians might have jacked wtih his writings in the past

Tacitus on Jesus: However, the text merely mentions that Christians existed, which is not generally in doubt, and that they had founding in someone called "Christ" executed by Pilate, a statement that could have come merely from a conversation with a Christian, rather than a statement of fact.

i mean, that's probably as close as you will get...that the founder of christians, named 'christ', was killed by pontius pilate...in general, i think tacitus is fairly reliable - he loathed christians btw

 

[aidanjm]

Interesting

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Accipiter22

Originally posted by: aidanjm
there is some interesting evidence that Jesus spent the last decades of his life in India (of all places) in an area near Cashmere, where he was revered as a holy man

was that in some apocryphal writing?

supposedly there are some meticulous historical records of a "holy" guy who died at a very old age (around 80 I think, 80 years after Jesus birth) in that area of the world. The Indians kept some detailed records of this holy guy's life, which had some odd parralels with jesus, to the point where some historians wonder if they weren't the same individual. The religious tradition of sending out holy men to find an infant, who is the incarnation of a holy man who has died, was prevalent in that time in that area. the whole thing with the three wise men, travelling from the orient - they may have been basically buddhist monks going to meet & greet with the latst reincarnation of one of their deceased holy men (born into the baby Jesus - that is what they would have believed; just as the Dalai Lama was "found" by monks when he was a baby and assumed to be the reincarnation of a deceased monk). is some evidence they came back to pick him up when he was an older child, and that he received a spiritual education in India during his teenage years. christianity itself contains a weird synthesis of elements from Buddism as well as Judaism. The whole love thy neighbor/ turn the other cheek thing was totally out of left field, there is nothing in Judaism to support that philosophical approach to life. That's the basic outline of the theory. Not sure where you could get more info, as saw this on a television doco.
edit: ok. here's a link

Jesus Lived in India
😕

 

[GroundZero]

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
There's actually a Jewish philosopher that has very good records of him as well.

yea...i think that's Bosephus. however, some think that his records of monday night football are a little too good, if you know what i mean. see my post above

fixed

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Accipiter22

Originally posted by: aidanjm
there is some interesting evidence that Jesus spent the last decades of his life in India (of all places) in an area near Cashmere, where he was revered as a holy man

was that in some apocryphal writing?

supposedly there are some meticulous historical records of a "holy" guy who died at a very old age (around 80 I think, 80 years after Jesus birth) in that area of the world. The Indians kept some detailed records of this holy guy's life, which had some odd parralels with jesus, to the point where some historians wonder if they weren't the same individual. The religious tradition of sending out holy men to find an infant, who is the incarnation of a holy man who has died, was prevalent in that time in that area. the whole thing with the three wise men, travelling from the orient - they may have been basically buddhist monks going to meet & greet with the latst reincarnation of one of their deceased holy men (born into the baby Jesus - that is what they would have believed; just as the Dalai Lama was "found" by monks when he was a baby and assumed to be the reincarnation of a deceased monk). is some evidence they came back to pick him up when he was an older child, and that he received a spiritual education in India during his teenage years. christianity itself contains a weird synthesis of elements from Buddism as well as Judaism. The whole love thy neighbor/ turn the other cheek thing was totally out of left field, there is nothing in Judaism to support that philosophical approach to life. That's the basic outline of the theory. Not sure where you could get more info, as saw this on a television doco.
edit: ok. here's a link

Jesus Lived in India
😕

Yea my uncle (who is from India) tells me there is a tomb in Kashmir with strange inscriptions on it. The Muslims in the region have taken it over now though, and won't let anyone do studies on it.

 

[Lonyo]

It's kind of funny in a way how people rubbish ancient religions and their myths and stories, yet believe in Jesus or God, who were alive at that time and surrounded by those apparently stupid myths.
It's not hard (IMO) for someone who has a vague snese of objectivity to call into serious question the things reported about Jesus and his "life", in much the same way those very same people who believe in Jesus would call into question the validity of any ancient sources citing amazing heros who wiped out armies or were aided by god(s).
It's almost unfathomable, and reminds me of someones sig with something along the lines of "I believe in one fewer god than you", or "when you understand why no other gods can exist you will understand why yours cannot exist" or something.