Is there any 1155 Socket Faster then the SB i7-2700k?

[Z15CAM]

Mine idles at 1600Mhz/.992v peeking at 4,600Mhz/1.34v, 35C/67C and can easily set BIOS to run at 5,200Mhz under 1.5v maxing at 73C with a Corsair H110.

MB is an ASUS P8Z68-V Pro Gen3 with 16GB of Samsung MV-3V4G3D-US_DDR3 @ 1866Mhz/1.5v 9-9-9-24 1T.

Running AIDI 64 Extreme v2.70.2200 Benches, I blow all memory benches away and come a close 2nd to the 6x Core i7-3960 Extreme HT in CPU running my i7-2700K 24/7 @ 4,600Mhz's.

Haven't Benched her at 5.200Mhz yet but I'm sure I would equal if not beat the i7-3960 at stock timing.

The i7-3770K always falls short.

 

[stahlhart]

Mine is 0.992V @ 1.6GHz and 1.384V @ 4.8GHz. It's 24 hours Prime95 stable at 4.8, but I've only pushed it to 5.0 for some bench runs.

 

[Z15CAM]

Same here no Prime95 error's after a 12hr session @ 4.6Ghz's - Guess I can push her to 4.8Ghz 24/7 and stay under 1.4v's as well.

Gotta say this Samsung MV-3V4G3D-US_DDR3 is impressive. I think I could run it at 2133Mhz 9-9-9-24 1T at the same voltage (1.5v).

But I feel very comfortable where I'm at.

 

[stahlhart]

Everyone raves about those kits. By the time I heard about them,they were sold out everywhere. I'm pretty content with the Sniper kit, though:

 

[Z15CAM]

Yeh! Got lucky on them 4 x's 4GB sticks of Samsung MV-3V4G3D-US_DDR3. Got them of NewEgg.CA for $96 Delivered.

Seems I never use more then 3.8 GB's of it so I reserved 12GB's of it into a RAMDisk to take care of all the garbage on my Samsung 840 Pro 256GB.

I can transfer a 2GB file from RAMDisk to SSD in a Flash - LOL

I also have 2 x's 500GB WD5001AALS in RAID-0 for Video Encoding and a one 1TB WD Black for BackUp and Storage.

I also run an extra NIC and a WinTV-HVR-1250.

I got an old EVGA e-GeForce GTX 280 for a video card so I guess I'm looking to get another VGA and possibly use the 280GTX for PhysicX and a new Panel (Can't decide between the Asus VG248QE or Samsung S23A700D yet)

I'm not much into gaming but I do like my Movies.

Guess I'll reboot to 4.800Mhz's and run some tests - Can't say I'll feel safe at that for 24/7 though.

 

[Ratman6161]

Mine idles at 1600Mhz/.992v peeking at 4,600Mhz/1.34v, 35C/67C and can easily set BIOS to run at 5,200Mhz under 1.5v maxing at 73C with a Corsair H110.

MB is an ASUS P8Z68-V Pro Gen3 with 16GB of Samsung MV-3V4G3D-US_DDR3 @ 1866Mhz/1.5v 9-9-9-24 1T.

Running AIDI 64 Extreme v2.70.2200 Benches, I blow all memory benches away and come a close 2nd to the 6x Core i7-3960 Extreme HT in CPU running my i7-2700K 24/7 @ 4,600Mhz's.

Haven't Benched her at 5.200Mhz yet but I'm sure I would equal if not beat the i7-3960 at stock timing.

The i7-3770K always falls short.

There have actually been a lot of articles, reviews, and tests out there that show that IB and then Haswell don't overclock as high in terms of MHZ but don't need to. Haswell outperforms IB which outperforms SB. That's pretty well established.

The question in my mind is not "is there anything faster" because clearly there is. The real question is "Is there anything that is enough faster to make an upgrade worthwhile?" My answer to that is no. There is nothing I do where an upgrade would make a noticeable difference.

EDIT: FYI I'm running a 2600K @ 4.4 Ghz and don't much are about games.

 

[Yuriman]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/836?vs=287

Haswell is something like 10-40% faster per clock (average around 20%) so in order to match your 5.2ghz Sandy, you need a 3.7 to 4.7ghz (avg 4.3ghz) Haswell.

Most people seem to run their chips at around 4.3ghz, so your Sandy is a pretty good match for Haswell running at stock voltage. Some of the better overclocks I've seen without extreme cooling (~4.7 is unusual but not unheard of) will in some tests beat a 6.6ghz 2700K (40%).

To be fair, Haswell is 1150 and not 1155 though. You would need something like a 4.7-4.8ghz 3770K to match your chip, which is the upper range for those chips.

 

[Arkaign]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/836?vs=287

Haswell is something like 10-40% faster per clock (average around 20%) so in order to match your 5.2ghz Sandy, you need a 3.7 to 4.7ghz (avg 4.3ghz) Haswell.

Most people seem to run their chips at around 4.3ghz, so your Sandy is a pretty good match for Haswell running at stock voltage. Some of the better overclocks I've seen without extreme cooling (~4.7 is unusual but not unheard of) will in some tests beat a 6.6ghz 2700K (40%).

To be fair, Haswell is 1150 and not 1155 though. You would need something like a 4.7-4.8ghz 3770K to match your chip, which is the upper range for those chips.

That hasn't been my experience at all.

I've built many many hundreds of SB/IB/HW systems, and there's nothing that indicates 10-40% IPC improvement over SB on average, when using the same RAM and drivers. That's the problem with charts like Anand's and Tom's that accumulate data over a long period of time without filling in the blanks on all the testbed data.

This is much more accurate in my experience :

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proces...erformance-and-Architecture/Clock-Clock-Sandy

"Finally, our x264 benchmark results show a similar 4.5% advantage for Haswell over IVB and a 10.5% edge over Sandy Bridge on the first pass. Haswell is 11% and 17% faster respectively on the second pass."

What happens is that a certain spectrum of applications (and most synthetics, but you can't run them for any useful purpose) really do take off massively on Haswell (Truecrypt for example), and that skews things a lot. HUGELY helpful if you do things on a regular basis which can take advantage, but otherwise it's a huge 'meh'.

Example, if you're a gamer, a 5Ghz SB i7 will be as fast or faster than a 4.4Ghz HW or 4.6Ghz Ivy, easily. Along with the vast majority of day to day tasks, web browsers, even h264 encoding.

A more accurate picture can be found from the AT official Haswell review :

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7003/the-haswell-review-intel-core-i74770k-i54560k-tested/9

" The performance gains over Ivy Bridge depend on workload, but in general you’re looking at low single digits to just under 20%." <--- that 'just under 20%' doesn't happen with the majority of situations, lol.

Have you noticed that almost ALL Haswell reviews skip real gaming benchmarks almost entirely? This was Intel's direction, they wanted attention to the real gains that Haswell provides in apps that really take advantage, along with the improved iGPU and mobile capabilities.

It's super hard to even find real gaming benches with Haswell, but :

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_4770k_review,23.html

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/06/01/intel_haswell_i74770k_ipc_overclocking_review/5

Those are stock speed benches. As you can clearly see, with those % in play, a SB i7 @ 5Ghz is very plainly as fast or faster than HW at even 4.4.

I think it's really a draw for overclockers/gamers. For non-overclockers, HW is a really nice move!

 

[blackened23]

I personally upgraded a 2600k that could do 5ghz and a year later, I replaced it with a 3770k. With a 500mhz clockspeed deficit, the 3770k still beat it in all synthetics (I did all sorts of benchmarks when I upgraded). IMHO, they're both great CPUs but everyone will have some variance with respect to how lucky they get with overclocking. Not all SB owners will get 5ghz. Not all IVB owners will get 4.7ghz. So they're both good CPUs subject to the silicon lottery.

It seems like the thread is taking this direction: If you own a SB, that means you think the SB is better. If you own a IVB, that means you think the IVB is better. Let's just all agree that they're all great chips that are subject to the overclocking silicon lottery. My exception is this: if you read the OP's post it basically states "I love my 2700k and the 3770k always falls short". That doesn't sound awfully objective.. It almost seems like essentially what the OP is doing is bragging and beating his chest about how great his 2700k is - which IMO isn't very useful or interesting.

TL'DR: SB, IVB, and Haswell are all great chips subject to the overclocking lottery.

 

[stahlhart]

I was just comparing notes. I don't meet too many 2700K owners in my travels.

 

[blackened23]

I was just comparing notes. I don't meet too many 2700K owners in my travels.

Indeed! Nothing wrong with that. I suppose I came across as a bit snarky originally, didn't mean to do that. Still waiting for my coffee to take full effect

 

[Z15CAM]

stahlhart: Here's a MaxxMEM2 shot of these Samsung MV-3V4G3D-US_DDR3 modules running at 9-9-9-24 1T 1866Mhz 1.5v:

Not much different then your Snipers

Note that your Memory Write is Faster. The comparison seems to illustrate that memory speed is not much of an issue with the Intel Integrated Memory Controller. From what I've read you should not run sticks much above 1.55v & preferable below 1.5v yet there are a sticks that require 1.65v.

My exception is this: if you read the OP's post it basically states "I love my 2700k and the 3770k always falls short". That doesn't sound awfully objective.. It almost seems like essentially what the OP is doing is bragging and beating his chest about how great his 2700k is - which IMO isn't very useful or interesting.

Your crazy: As both the i7 2700k and i7 3770k have been out for some time now, I'm curious what User's comparisons are. Just that I've noted Benches seem to indicate that the I7 2700K can be clocked faster - Not that it makes any different in the real world.

This was more like the input I expect:

The question in my mind is not "is there anything faster" because clearly there is. The real question is "Is there anything that is enough faster to make an upgrade worthwhile?" My answer to that is no. There is nothing I do where an upgrade would make a noticeable difference.

And Arkaign's input was very informative. Nice Post ;o)

Those are stock speed benches. As you can clearly see, with those % in play, a SB i7 @ 5Ghz is very plainly as fast or faster than HW at even 4.4.

This was intended to be the bases of this Thread.

 

[Ratman6161]

...It seems like the thread is taking this direction: If you own a SB, that means you think the SB is better. If you own a IVB, that means you think the IVB is better. ....

Not exactly or at least not from my point of view. I've got a 2600K. It's not that I think my 2600K is "better". If I were building a new system today I'd probably go with the 4770K which IMO is "better". But that's only if I were building a new system anyway. Since I already have the 2600K, even though I think Haswell is "better" I think its not enough better to warrant the cost of an upgrade; particularly since it requires a new motherboard in addition to the new CPU.

Another scenario is for someone with an older CPU. Supposing I was still running my old core 2 quad 6600 and decided it was time for an upgrade? In that case I'd go Haswell.

Edit: Guess I should read the original question before answering. Since the question was specifically about socket 1155, then Haswell isn't a player. But the same idea applies. A 3770K is "better" i.e. faster than my 2600K, just not enough faster (subject to the luck of the draw as others have mentioned) to warrant an upgrade.

 

[PingSpike]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/836?vs=287

Haswell is something like 10-40% faster per clock (average around 20%) so in order to match your 5.2ghz Sandy, you need a 3.7 to 4.7ghz (avg 4.3ghz) Haswell.

Most people seem to run their chips at around 4.3ghz, so your Sandy is a pretty good match for Haswell running at stock voltage. Some of the better overclocks I've seen without extreme cooling (~4.7 is unusual but not unheard of) will in some tests beat a 6.6ghz 2700K (40%).

To be fair, Haswell is 1150 and not 1155 though. You would need something like a 4.7-4.8ghz 3770K to match your chip, which is the upper range for those chips.

eh? 40%?

I put a spreadsheet together the other day and with benchmarks excluding games I saw an 8% improvement to ivy from sandy and another 8% improvement from ivy to haswell average. I had some other benchmarks comparing a i5-3470 versus a 2500k at stock with game tests included that average out to only ~4%. I'm sure there's some specific cases where the difference is larger but I thought the averages were more interesting. Games seemed to have the worst returns but I honestly wished I had more apples to apples data there.

 

[Yuriman]

eh? 40%?

I put a spreadsheet together the other day and with benchmarks excluding games I saw an 8% improvement to ivy from sandy and another 8% improvement from ivy to haswell average. I had some other benchmarks comparing a i5-3470 versus a 2500k at stock with game tests included that average out to only ~4%. I'm sure there's some specific cases where the difference is larger but I thought the averages were more interesting. Games seemed to have the worst returns but I honestly wished I had more apples to apples data there.

I pulled my data from anandtech's bench tool. 40% is not the average (not even close) but it *was* one of the outlying results.

 

[blackened23]

Nobody ever suggested that "upgrading" from SB to IVB was worth it. Everyone seems to pull that argument out in these type of threads, and in every case, they're looking for an argument that nobody started. Let's just all agree that these are both great chips with are subject to the overclocking silicon lottery. The IVB can pass the performance of a SB which is clocked 400-500mhz higher, but it probably will have less OC headroom. But, there is absolutely no situation in which I would ever recommend someone "upgrade" a SB to IVB / Haswell unless their computer just randomly stopped working.

In fact, I personally have only upgraded a CPU on a yearly basis once. Going back through history, I think that a CPU so appealing that it made folks *want* to upgrade on a yearly basis have been the exception and not the rule - heck, even Nehalem/Lynnfield/etc weren't "worth" upgrading to SB to most users. Nehalem is still a heck of a chip to this day. Bottom line being, yearly upgrades even for enthusiasts is somewhat rare - I personally have only done that once in over 10 years. 2-3 years has been the norm for me, in fact.

TL'DR: Yearly CPU upgrades are a rarity and always have been, and all of the chips in question: SB/IVB/Haswell are all great CPUs. Subject the overclocking lottery of course.

 

[crashtech]

The 2700K is pretty nice. For those like me who own them, the only thing remotely compelling on the horizon is Ivy-E. Even then, it won't be a big jump.

 

[crashtech]

The interesting thing about this single thread graph is we can use the results as multipliers to compare different CPUs at different speeds, since these results were all obtained at the same frequency. Of course it's not completely accurate, since performance doesn't scale linearly with GHz, and not all apps with scale identically (blah blah blah), but it can nonetheless illustrate why these last two generations have not been warmly welcomed by enthusiasts. For example:


4770K @ 4.3GHz x 1.55 = 6.67 "comparison units"

3770K @ 4.5GHz x 1.48 = 6.66

2600K @ 4.7GHz x 1.42 = 6.67

So if we lose 200MHz OC ability (on average) with each generation, performance of each successively slower (but higher IPC) CPU remains remarkably similar.

 

[guskline]

I owned a 2500k and had the "urge" to go I7. The Ivy Bridge had already come out and MC had the 3770k at $229 and the 2700k at $219. My decision was easy.

If i already owned the 2700k at the time there would be no need to get a 3770k and frankly little urge to do so also.

I agree with blackened23's comments.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Xeons?

 

[bbhaag]

^^^ Finally someone actually tried to answer the OP's question.

[redacted]

That wasn't necessary
-ViRGE

 

[Z15CAM]

bbhaag: Well other then a Data Base Frame Work or Server Boxes utilizing more then 8 threads it appears, according to Intel, after the i7-2700k the DeskTop PC has reached it's limit and we're going Mobil Green for Home Users. I mean why a 2700K over the 2600k?

IV was the 1st Step and HW is almost there.

So much for the DeskTop PC.

Yamamoto: You don't know how many times I considered running an Xeon, if the concept exists in the future, my next upgrade will be Xeon considering what's happening to the DeskTop World.

 

[bbhaag]

Awesome..thanks..I appreciate the info.

 

[Z15CAM]

bbhaag: [Shoot] ! Don't take my word for it but looking at what Cyber Corporations appear to be doing now and whether they have something better in store for us - Who's to Say.

No profanity in the tech forums, please
-ViRGE

 

[bbhaag]