Is there an Arabic word for ?truce??

[ProfJohn]

Maybe there is no word in Arabic for truce. That would explain why every time Israel and the Palestinians reach a truce agreement some terrorist group breaks it.

This also explains why Israeli-Palestinian peace is so elusive. These guys can?t even stop fighting amongst themselves. How can we expect them to stop trying to kill someone that they have been taught since children are their mortal enemy?

I don?t think we will see long lasting peace in this area until there is a MASSIVE change in the Palestinian attitude towards peaceful relations with its neighbor. Foremost in this change will be a change in the education system that teaches all this hatred and conspiracy crap aimed against Jews.
Hitler and Germany had no problem killing millions of Jews, Slovaks and Russians because they saw them as ?lesser humans.? It seems that many in the Middle East still view Jews in a similar manner.
It seems that this is part of their culture. Look at how many Muslim societies view women, as being lesser than men. It is going to take a long time to change these cultural differences and attitudes. Until such a time that these people view all people as being equal I do not think we will see a long lasting peace built on trust and understanding.
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Fatah and Hamas clashed at Cabinet ministries, universities and security headquarters Saturday in defiance of a truce that was to have calmed the seething Gaza Strip.

The cease-fire agreement was announced late Friday on the deadliest single day of battles between the two sides, who have been fighting for control of the Palestinian government since the Islamic militant Hamas ousted Fatah from power in last year's elections.
Palestinian officials said the deal was approved by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah and Hamas' supreme leader, Khaled Mashaal. But the cease-fire ? the second announced this week ? showed no signs of taking hold.
Gunbattles raged across Gaza after the truce was announced, continuing through the night and early Saturday. With no casualties reported overnight, some Gazans, who had spent the previous two days huddled at home for safety, were emboldened to leave their houses to go to work.

But 12 people had been wounded by late morning, hospital officials said, and Fatah said Hamas had kidnapped 40 of its security officials at roadblocks. Hamas reported one of its followers had been kidnapped.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Yes there is. Roughly translated it means "Everyone on your side is dead. We have achieved peace now."

 

[Moonbeam]

When oppression exists even the bird dies in the nest. A saying

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

A bird in the hand... will poop on your shirt.

 

[GoPackGo]

grudge

 

[daniel49]

Why yes there is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna

I found this part interesting....


According to Umdat as-Salik, a medieval summary of Shafi'i jurisprudence, hudnas with a non-Muslim enemy should be limited to 10 years: "if Muslims are weak, a truce may be made for ten years if necessary, for the Prophet made a truce with the Quraysh for that long, as is related by Abu Dawud" ('Umdat as-Salik, o9.16).

 

[eilute]

I couldn't say. I seem to recall hearing that there is no word in Arabic synonymous with "freedom."

 

[Blackjack2000]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Maybe there is no word in Arabic for truce. That would explain why every time Israel and the Palestinians reach a truce agreement some terrorist group breaks it.

This also explains why Israeli-Palestinian peace is so elusive. These guys can?t even stop fighting amongst themselves. How can we expect them to stop trying to kill someone that they have been taught since children are their mortal enemy?

I don?t think we will see long lasting peace in this area until there is a MASSIVE change in the Palestinian attitude towards peaceful relations with its neighbor. Foremost in this change will be a change in the education system that teaches all this hatred and conspiracy crap aimed against Jews.
Hitler and Germany had no problem killing millions of Jews, Slovaks and Russians because they saw them as ?lesser humans.? It seems that many in the Middle East still view Jews in a similar manner.
It seems that this is part of their culture. Look at how many Muslim societies view women, as being lesser than men. It is going to take a long time to change these cultural differences and attitudes. Until such a time that these people view all people as being equal I do not think we will see a long lasting peace built on trust and understanding.

And you seem to have no problem with the massive number of Palestinians killed by Israel. Probably because you view Arabs and Muslims (one in the same, of course) as 'lesser humans'. Gee, it's not as if Christian cultures view women as lesser [sic] than men. We sure hear a lot of crap about Palestine not recognizing Israel's 'right to exist'; what about Israel recognizing Palestine's 'right to exist'? The difference is that the Israeli government is actively preventing the latter from happening, while the the Palestinian "government" has no power at all.

 

[bamacre]

I think the Arabic phrase for ?truce? is 'death to America.'

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Blackjack2000

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Maybe there is no word in Arabic for truce. That would explain why every time Israel and the Palestinians reach a truce agreement some terrorist group breaks it.

This also explains why Israeli-Palestinian peace is so elusive. These guys can?t even stop fighting amongst themselves. How can we expect them to stop trying to kill someone that they have been taught since children are their mortal enemy?

I don?t think we will see long lasting peace in this area until there is a MASSIVE change in the Palestinian attitude towards peaceful relations with its neighbor. Foremost in this change will be a change in the education system that teaches all this hatred and conspiracy crap aimed against Jews.
Hitler and Germany had no problem killing millions of Jews, Slovaks and Russians because they saw them as ?lesser humans.? It seems that many in the Middle East still view Jews in a similar manner.
It seems that this is part of their culture. Look at how many Muslim societies view women, as being lesser than men. It is going to take a long time to change these cultural differences and attitudes. Until such a time that these people view all people as being equal I do not think we will see a long lasting peace built on trust and understanding.

And you seem to have no problem with the massive number of Palestinians killed by Israel. Probably because you view Arabs and Muslims (one in the same, of course) as 'lesser humans'. Gee, it's not as if Christian cultures view women as lesser [sic] than men. We sure hear a lot of crap about Palestine not recognizing Israel's 'right to exist'; what about Israel recognizing Palestine's 'right to exist'? The difference is that the Israeli government is actively preventing the latter from happening, while the the Palestinian "government" has no power at all.

So now its the Israelis fault that these fanatics can't stop killing innocent people?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Blackjack2000

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Maybe there is no word in Arabic for truce. That would explain why every time Israel and the Palestinians reach a truce agreement some terrorist group breaks it.

This also explains why Israeli-Palestinian peace is so elusive. These guys can?t even stop fighting amongst themselves. How can we expect them to stop trying to kill someone that they have been taught since children are their mortal enemy?

I don?t think we will see long lasting peace in this area until there is a MASSIVE change in the Palestinian attitude towards peaceful relations with its neighbor. Foremost in this change will be a change in the education system that teaches all this hatred and conspiracy crap aimed against Jews.
Hitler and Germany had no problem killing millions of Jews, Slovaks and Russians because they saw them as ?lesser humans.? It seems that many in the Middle East still view Jews in a similar manner.
It seems that this is part of their culture. Look at how many Muslim societies view women, as being lesser than men. It is going to take a long time to change these cultural differences and attitudes. Until such a time that these people view all people as being equal I do not think we will see a long lasting peace built on trust and understanding.

And you seem to have no problem with the massive number of Palestinians killed by Israel. Probably because you view Arabs and Muslims (one in the same, of course) as 'lesser humans'. Gee, it's not as if Christian cultures view women as lesser [sic] than men. We sure hear a lot of crap about Palestine not recognizing Israel's 'right to exist'; what about Israel recognizing Palestine's 'right to exist'? The difference is that the Israeli government is actively preventing the latter from happening, while the the Palestinian "government" has no power at all.

I think you keep forgetting the fact that if Palestinie stoped attacking the war would be over. If Israel stoped defending herself she would be dead. Personally, I don't care how many dead the agreesor nation has. Be it Palestine, the US, the British, or even Ethiopia, the agressing nation wanted to war and needs to deal with it.

If the general population doesn't want a war, they need to vote for change...

We know how that worked with Palestine, so too bad, they made there bed, they get to sleep in it.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Blackjack2000

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Maybe there is no word in Arabic for truce. That would explain why every time Israel and the Palestinians reach a truce agreement some terrorist group breaks it.

This also explains why Israeli-Palestinian peace is so elusive. These guys can?t even stop fighting amongst themselves. How can we expect them to stop trying to kill someone that they have been taught since children are their mortal enemy?

I don?t think we will see long lasting peace in this area until there is a MASSIVE change in the Palestinian attitude towards peaceful relations with its neighbor. Foremost in this change will be a change in the education system that teaches all this hatred and conspiracy crap aimed against Jews.
Hitler and Germany had no problem killing millions of Jews, Slovaks and Russians because they saw them as ?lesser humans.? It seems that many in the Middle East still view Jews in a similar manner.
It seems that this is part of their culture. Look at how many Muslim societies view women, as being lesser than men. It is going to take a long time to change these cultural differences and attitudes. Until such a time that these people view all people as being equal I do not think we will see a long lasting peace built on trust and understanding.

And you seem to have no problem with the massive number of Palestinians killed by Israel. Probably because you view Arabs and Muslims (one in the same, of course) as 'lesser humans'. Gee, it's not as if Christian cultures view women as lesser [sic] than men. We sure hear a lot of crap about Palestine not recognizing Israel's 'right to exist'; what about Israel recognizing Palestine's 'right to exist'? The difference is that the Israeli government is actively preventing the latter from happening, while the the Palestinian "government" has no power at all.

I think you keep forgetting the fact that if Palestinie stoped attacking the war would be over. If Israel stoped defending herself she would be dead. Personally, I don't care how many dead the agreesor nation has. Be it Palestine, the US, the British, or even Ethiopia, the agressing nation wanted to war and needs to deal with it.

If the general population doesn't want a war, they need to vote for change...

We know how that worked with Palestine, so too bad, they made there bed, they get to sleep in it.

:thumbsup:

 

[Blackjack2000]

Originally posted by: JD50
I think you keep forgetting the fact that if Palestinie stoped attacking the war would be over. If Israel stoped defending herself she would be dead. Personally, I don't care how many dead the agreesor nation has. Be it Palestine, the US, the British, or even Ethiopia, the agressing nation wanted to war and needs to deal with it.

If the general population doesn't want a war, they need to vote for change...

We know how that worked with Palestine, so too bad, they made there bed, they get to sleep in it.

:thumbsup:

[/quote]

Attacking? I think you are forgetting that in this case, Israel is the aggressor, occupier, and the main cause of the violence against its own population. Show me one moral framework that justifies massive oppression and degradation of civilians in retribution for a few legitimate acts of terror. The US was the aggressor in Iraq, and by your logic, despite the fact that I voted twice against the man who took us to war, and participated in numerous anti war rallies, my death would be justified because of their actions. That's a pretty f'd up way to think. But who cares, they don't really count anyway.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Blackjack2000

Originally posted by: JD50
I think you keep forgetting the fact that if Palestinie stoped attacking the war would be over. If Israel stoped defending herself she would be dead. Personally, I don't care how many dead the agreesor nation has. Be it Palestine, the US, the British, or even Ethiopia, the agressing nation wanted to war and needs to deal with it.

If the general population doesn't want a war, they need to vote for change...

We know how that worked with Palestine, so too bad, they made there bed, they get to sleep in it.

:thumbsup:

Attacking? I think you are forgetting that in this case, Israel is the aggressor, occupier, and the main cause of the violence against its own population. Show me one moral framework that justifies massive oppression and degradation of civilians in retribution for a few legitimate acts of terror. The US was the aggressor in Iraq, and by your logic, despite the fact that I voted twice against the man who took us to war, and participated in numerous anti war rallies, my death would be justified because of their actions. That's a pretty f'd up way to think. But who cares, they don't really count anyway.[/quote]


I think if you open your eyes a bit, you will see that Israel has been the victim of a little more than "a few legitimate acts of terror". The Palestinians deserve everything they get, Israel has given them plenty of opportunities for peace.

If Iraq didn't play the bluffing game with WMDs we wouldn't have gone over there, if they would have kept their side of the peacefire agreement from the first gulf war we would not have had to go back. But really, this is not about the US in Iraq, lets not beat that dead horse again. Just curious though, did you vote for anyone that voted for giving Bush the authority to go into Iraq?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Blackjack2000

Originally posted by: JD50
I think you keep forgetting the fact that if Palestinie stoped attacking the war would be over. If Israel stoped defending herself she would be dead. Personally, I don't care how many dead the agreesor nation has. Be it Palestine, the US, the British, or even Ethiopia, the agressing nation wanted to war and needs to deal with it.

If the general population doesn't want a war, they need to vote for change...

We know how that worked with Palestine, so too bad, they made there bed, they get to sleep in it.

:thumbsup:

Attacking? I think you are forgetting that in this case, Israel is the aggressor, occupier, and the main cause of the violence against its own population. Show me one moral framework that justifies massive oppression and degradation of civilians in retribution for a few legitimate acts of terror. The US was the aggressor in Iraq, and by your logic, despite the fact that I voted twice against the man who took us to war, and participated in numerous anti war rallies, my death would be justified because of their actions. That's a pretty f'd up way to think. But who cares, they don't really count anyway.[/quote]
At what point do you wish to draw the starting point in history regarding the Jewish/Arab relations.

The Palestinians are Arab pawns and have foolishly believed that their Arab brothers are actually concerned for their welfare.

The Palestinians for over 30 years sided with the Arab nations to attempt to create the situation in reverse and were unable to do so. Now you feel that they should not have to accept responsibility for their actions?

They have always rejected any help to improve their situation and attempted to bite the hand that is offered to them.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: bamacre
I think the Arabic phrase for ?truce? is 'death to America.'

I always thought it was jihad

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Blackjack2000

Originally posted by: JD50
I think you keep forgetting the fact that if Palestinie stoped attacking the war would be over. If Israel stoped defending herself she would be dead. Personally, I don't care how many dead the agreesor nation has. Be it Palestine, the US, the British, or even Ethiopia, the agressing nation wanted to war and needs to deal with it.

If the general population doesn't want a war, they need to vote for change...

We know how that worked with Palestine, so too bad, they made there bed, they get to sleep in it.

:thumbsup:

Attacking? I think you are forgetting that in this case, Israel is the aggressor, occupier, and the main cause of the violence against its own population. Show me one moral framework that justifies massive oppression and degradation of civilians in retribution for a few legitimate acts of terror. The US was the aggressor in Iraq, and by your logic, despite the fact that I voted twice against the man who took us to war, and participated in numerous anti war rallies, my death would be justified because of their actions. That's a pretty f'd up way to think. But who cares, they don't really count anyway.[/quote]


Legitamate acts of terror? When has purposely attacking civilians who are shopping or
going about there business legitamate?. Is that the way of thinking that you think will bring peace to Israel/Palestine? Perhaps your history is muddy, but do you remember how and why Israel took the land it did in 1967? How it was attacked and pushed into a war it didn't want to fight, and how it took a bufferzone so that it did not happen again?. (and it did not).

Or perhaps you will remember Israel returning land in the Gaza only to have to sit back and watch as rockets were launched with more accuracy because the land Israel gave up was closer. The Palestinians voted a group in that vowed to destroy Israel. This is not even a remote comparrision to the US where we voted in a president who promised not to nation build.

We voted and got shafted, the palestinians went into the election knowin gprecisely that the people they were voting for wanted war. Fatah won with over 60% of the vote in an election that was deemed fair. The people wanted this war and they got it. The Palestinians and Muslims have wanted to destroy Israel since its inception and everytime have gotten there faces smacked for it. I have no sypathy for a group of people in these countries who vote these leaders who have an agenda to attack a country.

An agenda they made public.

 

[Lemon law]

Is there an Israeli word for we stole it---and if you don't like it lump it---and we don't give a damn about anyone but ourselves?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Is there an Israeli word for we stole it---and if you don't like it lump it---and we don't give a damn about anyone but ourselves?

what did they steal?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Blackjack2000

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Maybe there is no word in Arabic for truce. That would explain why every time Israel and the Palestinians reach a truce agreement some terrorist group breaks it.

This also explains why Israeli-Palestinian peace is so elusive. These guys can?t even stop fighting amongst themselves. How can we expect them to stop trying to kill someone that they have been taught since children are their mortal enemy?

I don?t think we will see long lasting peace in this area until there is a MASSIVE change in the Palestinian attitude towards peaceful relations with its neighbor. Foremost in this change will be a change in the education system that teaches all this hatred and conspiracy crap aimed against Jews.
Hitler and Germany had no problem killing millions of Jews, Slovaks and Russians because they saw them as ?lesser humans.? It seems that many in the Middle East still view Jews in a similar manner.
It seems that this is part of their culture. Look at how many Muslim societies view women, as being lesser than men. It is going to take a long time to change these cultural differences and attitudes. Until such a time that these people view all people as being equal I do not think we will see a long lasting peace built on trust and understanding.

And you seem to have no problem with the massive number of Palestinians killed by Israel. Probably because you view Arabs and Muslims (one in the same, of course) as 'lesser humans'. Gee, it's not as if Christian cultures view women as lesser [sic] than men. We sure hear a lot of crap about Palestine not recognizing Israel's 'right to exist'; what about Israel recognizing Palestine's 'right to exist'? The difference is that the Israeli government is actively preventing the latter from happening, while the the Palestinian "government" has no power at all.

I think you keep forgetting the fact that if Palestinie stoped attacking the war would be over. If Israel stoped defending herself she would be dead. Personally, I don't care how many dead the agreesor nation has. Be it Palestine, the US, the British, or even Ethiopia, the agressing nation wanted to war and needs to deal with it.

If the general population doesn't want a war, they need to vote for change...

We know how that worked with Palestine, so too bad, they made there bed, they get to sleep in it.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Is there an Israeli word for we stole it---and if you don't like it lump it---and we don't give a damn about anyone but ourselves?

Did the Arabs and Palestinians have any compulsion about the theft/genocide that they were attempting multiple times?

So since Israel survived the split (made good) and the Palestinians failed, people feel that the Palestinians should be rewarded for the failure and bad decisions.

They keep failing because of their continual bad decisions.

 

[Lemon law]

To JD50------who asks---what did they steal?

Try land and hope----and the right to return that still drives this conflict. And all the revisionist history in the world will not change the facts---only if both sides get hope for the future will their be any hope for peace. Any seeming hope of Israeli moderation died when Rabin was assassinated by one of his own. Granted the Palestinians are ill led---but so are the Israelites.

You Israeli jerks need to realize that making Palestinians third class citizens in the land of their birth will not cut it in a modern world. In terms of Palestinians, until they get some hope for the future, Israel will reap what it sows.----just don't expect me to continue to prop you jerks up with my taxpayer money if you have zero empathy to your fellow man.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To JD50------who asks---what did they steal?

Try land and hope----and the right to return that still drives this conflict.

Silly me, thinking that hope was stolen when Araft endorsed the cheques and deposited them in his Swiss bank accounts, while urging children to become martyrs.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To JD50------who asks---what did they steal?

Try land and hope----and the right to return that still drives this conflict. And all the revisionist history in the world will not change the facts---only if both sides get hope for the future will their be any hope for peace. Any seeming hope of Israeli moderation died when Rabin was assassinated by one of his own. Granted the Palestinians are ill led---but so are the Israelites.

You Israeli jerks need to realize that making Palestinians third class citizens in the land of their birth will not cut it in a modern world. In terms of Palestinians, until they get some hope for the future, Israel will reap what it sows.----just don't expect me to continue to prop you jerks up with my taxpayer money if you have zero empathy to your fellow man.

Israel gave up some land in the Gaza as part of an escalating peace deal. That land was used to launch attacks. Than Palestine votes (a democratic, fair, internationally observered election) in a government that had vowed to destroy Israel. They want war they got it. You fail to see that the Arabs have been the aggressors in this conflict. Israel took the land in a war the Arabs started. Israel did not just up and decide to attack the Palestinians in order for power at home. Palestinian sympathizers always cry that Israel is too harsh. Take for example the wall. It was built and was called an atrocity, that it would divide the area even more. Israel said it was to stop suicide bombings, and low and behold it more or less did. I'm sorry, but until the Palestinian people own up to there mistakes of being the aggressors in a war they cannot win they will deserver whatever comes there way.

If you want, I can give you many more reasons why the Palestinians are in the position they are today. It boils down to the fact they have made it there life goal to destroy Israel, and Israel is strong enough to defy that.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To JD50------who asks---what did they steal?

Try land and hope----and the right to return that still drives this conflict. And all the revisionist history in the world will not change the facts---only if both sides get hope for the future will their be any hope for peace. Any seeming hope of Israeli moderation died when Rabin was assassinated by one of his own. Granted the Palestinians are ill led---but so are the Israelites.

You Israeli jerks need to realize that making Palestinians third class citizens in the land of their birth will not cut it in a modern world. In terms of Palestinians, until they get some hope for the future, Israel will reap what it sows.----just don't expect me to continue to prop you jerks up with my taxpayer money if you have zero empathy to your fellow man.

First, what land was stolen?

Second, I didn't realize that stealing hope was something that someone should be murdered over.