i think this is the body i want, but i wish it had 1080p video.
is there an upcoming model that will have this feature?
is there an upcoming model that will have this feature?
is there a successor to the D5000 on the horizon?
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Why not just get a T2i now? It has 1080P video with manual controls, along with many other things that the D5000 lacks.
Since you are looking at a D5000 (an entry-level body), I am assuming you are not heavily invested in Nikon glass. In this case, T2i is the way to go.
Since you are looking at a D5000 (an entry-level body), I am assuming you are not heavily invested in Nikon glass. In this case, T2i is the way to go.
D5000 was released nearly exactly 1 year ago... what's Nikon's typical product cycle for low-end DSLRs?
D5000 also requires lenses with focus motors, if you want AF. I don't know if that has any impact on you, but just as an info point...
I think Nikon would need to use a totally new sensor in order to get 1080p.
Other than Canon, I think the only other sub-$1000 DSLR with 1080p is the Pentax K7.
D5000 also requires lenses with focus motors, if you want AF. I don't know if that has any impact on you, but just as an info point...
I think Nikon would need to use a totally new sensor in order to get 1080p.
Other than Canon, I think the only other sub-$1000 DSLR with 1080p is the Pentax K7.
T2i has 1080p and much more control over frame rate: 1080p at 24/25/30 FPS or 720p at 50/60 FPS. The D5000 is locked to 720P at 24 FPS when shooting HD video. T2i also uses more efficient H.264 encoding, as opposed to motion JPEG on the D5000.
T2i has an external microphone input, which is essential when using the camera for serious video production. The D5000 only has a lackluster built-in mono microphone.
T2i has a trick 7x zoom mode when shooting video at 640x480 resolution. Useful when you really need the reach.
T2i has a 12 minute/4GB time limit on HD video every time you press the shutter button. D5000 has a 5 minute limit.
T2i has a higher maximum ISO and is just as clean at high ISOs due to the sensor being nearly identical to the EOS 7D's. This is quite an achievement, since the T2i has 6 more megapixels than the D5000.
T2i uses 14-bit A/D conversion (vs. 12 bit on the D5000).
T2i has 18 Megapixels (vs. 12 on the D5000). The sensor is almost identical to the EOS 7D's, meaning the output quality is very clean even at high ISO. The D5000 uses a sensor design that's over a year old (the sensor in the D5000 was first used in the D300 and then the D90).
T2i offers full compatibility with all Canon EOS lenses. The D5000 cannot autofocus with Nikon AF and AF-D lenses due to lack of focus motor in the camera body. AF-I or AF-S lenses are the only ones that will AF on a D5000. This means that many great Nikon lenses cannot be used well with the D5000. A few great AF-D lenses that will not autofocus on the D5000 are the Nikkor 50mm f/1.8, 85mm f/1.8, 85mm f/1.4, 135mm f/2, etc. The Canon equivalents of all of these lenses will work perfectly on the T2i. The D5000's inability to autofocus with AF and AF-D lenses also means a much reduced range of options when shopping for used lenses.
T2i has much higher screen resolution (1040k on the T2i, 230k on the D5000) and a slightly larger screen. The T2i's screen is native 3:2 format, so black bars don't show up above and below the picture when viewing images on the camera's LCD.
T2i has a slightly larger viewfinder than the D5000
The Nikon wins on some things, like having an articulating LCD. However, I don't think the D5000's bottom-swiveling LCD is nearly as useful as other companies' implementations (such as Sony's top-swivel design).
There are a few other little differences here and there between the cameras, but overall the Canon wins on the important factors such as image quality, HD video options, and lens compatibility.
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The D5000 has:
ADR - the feature modifies the actual exposure instead of a pure software trick like Canon's ALO and HTP in order to preserve detail in highlights and shadows. Also can be used in RAW mode.
Automatic lens distortion reduction
Automatic lateral chromatic aberration reduction
A sensor that was cleaner at high ISO than any APS-C sensor from Canon until they caught up with the 7D.
For video, the t2i is ahead. (Video on DSLR itself being a gimmick, IMO). for still images, I'd still give the advantage to the D5000.
Edit: The lack of in-body focus motor only matters if you want to use old AF lenses. With the availability of the 35mm f/1.8 AF-S for example, I don't miss the old 50mm f/1.8 at all. Time to stop beating a dead horse.
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How is video on a DSLR a gimmick? Have you seen how many TV shows and movies are being shot on DSLRs now? For example, the opening of Saturday Night Live was shot on the Canon 5D Mk. II and Canon 7D. That should be a testament to the video capabilities of modern DSLRs.
Bringing up the lack of an in-body focus motor is NOT beating a dead horse at all. Nikon does not make any AF-S versions of many of their best lenses. If you had a D5000, what do you do if you want to use a great portrait lens like the 85mm f/1.8D or 135mm f/2? Or if you want to use the excellent Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 ultrawide? What if you find a good deal on a used Nikkor 80-200mm AF-D, only to realize that it won't AF on the D5000? The lenses I mentioned here are not even rare lenses by any stretch; they are some of the most popular lenses for their respective applications.
I could go on and on about the number of great lenses out there that will not work fully on the D5000 due to the lack of a focus motor. It's quite a big disadvantage, and a very convincing reason to buy the more expensive D90 over the D5000.
On the Canon side, any EOS lens, whether it is made by Canon or by a third party, will ALL autofocus with the T2i.
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Simply pointing out that the Nikon sensor being 1 year old is nothing to scoff at.
Movies and TV shows are shot by a professional camera crew, who for example, can focus manually. The average consumer, if they expect a DSLR to replace their camcorder, will be sorely disappointed. Not only can you not autofocus, but the rolling shutter produces distortions when you have a moving subject across the frame.
It is a dead horse, because the person who plans on using a Nikkor 85mm prime for portraits will most likely not be using it on an entry-level body. On the other hand, the typical consumers who are on a budget and go for an entry-level body will not be spending a fortune on a set of exotic prime lenses, rather sticking with zooms, and maybe a normal-angle large-aperture AF-S prime.
Moreover, there is an ever-increasing number of third-party and Nikon lenses produced with build-in focus motors. The old in-body focus system is inferior to the in-lens motors, and will become increasingly less relevant for those not already invested in old glass. That Nikon is not releasing any new lenses using the old system, and is instead releasing AF-S lenses, only furthers that point.
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Hmm, I think I'll back off being so strident about the lack on an in-body focus motor.
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/index.htm#dx
Seeing all the AF-S lenses availble - not to mention 3rd party lenses - I think there is ample selection for the D5000's target demographic.
As for other, older lenses... use manual focus. It won't kill you, honest.
Especially for portraiture and landscape, MF is fine.
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/index.htm#dx
Seeing all the AF-S lenses availble - not to mention 3rd party lenses - I think there is ample selection for the D5000's target demographic.
As for other, older lenses... use manual focus. It won't kill you, honest.
Especially for portraiture and landscape, MF is fine.
Then I don't understand you giving the edge to the D5000 in photos...unless we are comparing the price differential as well.
I gave it the edge not purely on low noise, but in combination with the other features I mentioned - compensation for DR, distortion and CA.
It matches the RAW performance of the D90, which I believe it basically identical to the D5000:
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_EOS_550D_Rebel_T2i/noise_RAW.shtml
And I guess I don't care about the other features as I shoot RAW and they can all be done there.
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It's not quite an apples to apples comparison.
First, the price. A T2i two-lens kit runs about $1100; the D5000 two-lens kit runs about $750. $350 isn't exactly chump change.
Second, the video. If you're serious about shooting video, buy the T2i. If you're thinking the T2i is going to make high-def movies of your children's sports games and dance recitals, get a camcorder. Making professional looking videos on a DSLR requires fast lenses, camera stabilizers, tripods/dollies, external mics, extra batteries, and proficiency in editing programs like Vegas or FCP.
If you think 12MP vs 18MP matters, ask yourself the last time you made a very large (think wall-size) print. If you're taking photos and uploading 95% of them to Flickr/Picasa and printing the other 5% as 8x10s or smaller, you're not going to see a difference. On the other hand, if you're making gallery size prints every weekend, you may see the difference after all.
First, the price. A T2i two-lens kit runs about $1100; the D5000 two-lens kit runs about $750. $350 isn't exactly chump change.
Second, the video. If you're serious about shooting video, buy the T2i. If you're thinking the T2i is going to make high-def movies of your children's sports games and dance recitals, get a camcorder. Making professional looking videos on a DSLR requires fast lenses, camera stabilizers, tripods/dollies, external mics, extra batteries, and proficiency in editing programs like Vegas or FCP.
If you think 12MP vs 18MP matters, ask yourself the last time you made a very large (think wall-size) print. If you're taking photos and uploading 95% of them to Flickr/Picasa and printing the other 5% as 8x10s or smaller, you're not going to see a difference. On the other hand, if you're making gallery size prints every weekend, you may see the difference after all.
I definitely agree about the cost differential...which is why I brought it up before in this thread. It is significant(at least right now). Although I disagree a bit with the amount of difference. First I would compare body to body only(as multi-lens kits are still tough to come by on the newly released camera) for the most fair comparison, which is around $150 at the major photo stores. Then I might compare with kit lens as most people will get that...at BH that's again $150(with the nikon currently having $50 instant rebate). So there definitely is a difference...just not $350 in my opinion.
Having edited other people's pictures you do come to appreciate added resolution. While you always hope to get composition perfect the first try, it is fun playing with framing by cropping a bit in post processing. A little cropping on some of the lower resolution cameras can result in images becoming unusable for larger prints. Sure resolution isn't everything, but it's not just for printing 20 x 30's
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JR.com has the D5000 body for $550, and the T2i body for $799. That's $250 less, not $150.
D5000 kit is $640, T2i kit is $899; $260 difference.
D5000 2-lens kit is $780, T2i 2-lens kit is $1150; $370 difference.
Or if you're into bargains, a factory refurbed D5000 kit is $525 at Adorama, a whopping $375 less than a T2i kit (which is too new to find refurbished). I bought a factory refurbed D90 kit last spring, which was as good as new.
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Ha I knew you'd go there. I'll give you one guess why you can find a D5000 at a discount while the T2i is only found at its MSRP.
As I said, I compared prices at BH. Of course on a product a half year old or so you can shop around and find a better deal. However, these products will be within $150 or so of eachother when supply catches up with demand.
Again, the D5000 is a solid camera. The only thing I was curious about was why the PP thought that the D5000 was a better still photo camera than the T2i, negating the price difference.
How would the D5000 compare with a T1i? The viewfinder on the D5000 is more comfortable, but I like the exposure dial on the T1 in an easier spot.
I'd probably give a slight edge to the D5000 in noise performance. I believe the T1i's viewfinder is actually larger than the D5000. Flip down screen could come in handy here and there. Resolution edge obviously goes to T1i.
Overall, IMO the D5000 is a bit better than the T1i, depending on your needs and what lenses you have.
Much of it comes down to ergonomics. When I've tried the Rebels vs. the D**** series I've found the grip on the rebel feels better for me. This will obviously be different for you. Honestly, almost all the major brands are so close to one another in quality that I it's almost pointless to concern yourself about one models features as they're getting replaced all the time. Go with what feels right for you.
Well it'll be awhile before I jump to slr. The thing I didn't like about the T1's (or any of canon's) is that you basically have to plaster your nose into the screen, especially if you have glasses.
I agree...I haven't gotten this but some do:
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EP-EX15-.../dp/B0000AQI9E
Unfortunately it reduces viewfinder magnification.
Personally, I don't mind smudging the screen a bit.
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