Is there a better GM than Billy Beane in MLB?

[spaceman]

it was a sad day when Billy Beane did an about face coming to the Redsox.

 

[Al Neri]

Yes, his name is Omar Minaya.

 

[z42]

I'm an A's fan, and I still think that it's hard to say how good he is.

He may be the best at drafting or running a minor league system. But if you look at some of the "big name" guys he has signed lately, a lot of them have been busts. Dye was hurt, but you still have guys like Dotel, Rhodes, Loaiza etc who have been given big contracts for very little success.

So basically what I'm saying is that it's hard to compare when the factors are so different. Maybe the Marlins GM is better than him, but with a $14mill payroll how could we know? I would have to throw the GM of the Twins into the mix if you look at what they have put together with a limited payroll as well.

 

[spaceman]

Originally posted by: z42
I'm an A's fan, and I still think that it's hard to say how good he is.

He may be the best at drafting or running a minor league system. But if you look at some of the "big name" guys he has signed lately, a lot of them have been busts. Dye was hurt, but you still have guys like Dotel, Rhodes, Loaiza etc who have been given big contracts for very little success.

So basically what I'm saying is that it's hard to compare when the factors are so different. Maybe the Marlins GM is better than him, but with a $14mill payroll how could we know? I would have to throw the GM of the Twins into the mix if you look at what they have put together with a limited payroll as well.

Kendall is sort of a bust, I never understood the scott hatteberg contract either.
but it always seem to collectively work out for the a's.
Im AL bias so i probably dont give the Marlins a fair shake, ...Beane in a large market would be unstoppable.

 

[Abel007]

I would like to submit John Schuerholz as a better GM. Thank you. Have a nice day.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

It's either Beane or Larry Beinfest of the Marlins. They consistently do more with less than any other GMs in baseball. Schuerholz deserves credit for being there year after year, but he had a lot more resources than Beane or Beinfest

 

[Abel007]

They did more with less, but not year after year. Many, many clubs had more resources(cash) than the Braves over the last 16 years and not a single one achieved what the Braves did during that stretch.

 

[spaceman]

Originally posted by: Abel007
They did more with less, but not year after year. Many, many clubs had more resources(cash) than the Braves over the last 16 years and not a single one achieved what the Braves did during that stretch.

you dont think being in the nl east has something to do with it?
im not trying to belittle the braves accomplishment, which is impressive.

 

[Abel007]

Originally posted by: ncircle

Originally posted by: Abel007
They did more with less, but not year after year. Many, many clubs had more resources(cash) than the Braves over the last 16 years and not a single one achieved what the Braves did during that stretch.

you dont think being in the nl east has something to do with it?

In 1991 they had the 3rd best record in baseball.
In 1992 they had the best record in baseball.
In 1993 they had the best record in baseball.
In 1994, strike season.
In 1995 they had the 2nd best record in baseball.
In 1996 they had the 2nd best record in baseball.
In 1997 they had the best record in baseball.
In 1998 they had the 2nd best record in baseball.
In 1999 they had the best record in baseball.
In 2000 they had the 2nd best record in baseball.
In 2001 they had got lucky with only 88 wins.
In 2002 they had the 3rd best record in baseball.
In 2003 they had the best record in baseball.
In 2004 they had the 4th best in baseball.
In 2005 they only had 90 wins. Another luck year.

No, I don't think being in the NL East had anything to do with it. Why can't you just give props to a great baseball team of the 90s? Led by John Schuerholz and Bobby Cox, the Braves were a very dominating team.


EDIT* and bah you edited your post to add more.

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: Abel007

Originally posted by: ncircle

Originally posted by: Abel007
They did more with less, but not year after year. Many, many clubs had more resources(cash) than the Braves over the last 16 years and not a single one achieved what the Braves did during that stretch.

you dont think being in the nl east has something to do with it?

In 1991 they had the 3rd best record in baseball.
In 1992 they had the best record in baseball.
In 1993 they had the best record in baseball.
In 1994, strike season.
In 1995 they had the 2nd best record in baseball.
In 1996 they had the 2nd best record in baseball.
In 1997 they had the best record in baseball.
In 1998 they had the best record in baseball.
In 1999 they had the best record in baseball.
In 2000 they had the 2nd best record in baseball.
In 2001 they had the got got lucky with only 88 wins.
In 2002 they had the 3rd best record in baseball.
In 2003 they had the best record in baseball.
In 2004 they had the 4th best in baseball.
In 2005 they only had 90 wins. Another luck year.

No, I don't think being in the NL East had anything to do with it. Why can't you just give props to a great baseball team of the 90s? Led by John Schuerholz and Bobby Cox, the Braves were a very dominating team.


EDIT* and bah you edited your post to add more.

Didn't the NY Yankees have 114 wins in 1998? If so I don't see how the braves topped 114 wins in that season.

 

[Abel007]

My apologies, you are correct. They had 106 wins that season and the Yankees had 114. So 2nd best. Editing for correction's sake.

 

[Syringer]

And how many World Series have the Braves won in that stretch

 

[Abel007]

As many as the Red Sox.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: Abel007

Originally posted by: ncircle

Originally posted by: Abel007
They did more with less, but not year after year. Many, many clubs had more resources(cash) than the Braves over the last 16 years and not a single one achieved what the Braves did during that stretch.

you dont think being in the nl east has something to do with it?

In 1991 they had the 3rd best record in baseball.
In 1992 they had the best record in baseball.
In 1993 they had the best record in baseball.
In 1994, strike season.
In 1995 they had the 2nd best record in baseball.
In 1996 they had the 2nd best record in baseball.
In 1997 they had the best record in baseball.
In 1998 they had the best record in baseball.
In 1999 they had the best record in baseball.
In 2000 they had the 2nd best record in baseball.
In 2001 they had the got got lucky with only 88 wins.
In 2002 they had the 3rd best record in baseball.
In 2003 they had the best record in baseball.
In 2004 they had the 4th best in baseball.
In 2005 they only had 90 wins. Another luck year.

No, I don't think being in the NL East had anything to do with it. Why can't you just give props to a great baseball team of the 90s? Led by John Schuerholz and Bobby Cox, the Braves were a very dominating team.


EDIT* and bah you edited your post to add more.

Didn't the NY Yankees have 114 wins in 1998? If so I don't see how the braves topped 114 wins in that season.

i believe they won the world series in '98.

regardless, the knock was against the NL East and not against the braves per se.

the NL East has done ok, lets see, the braves (5 times) the Marlins (twice) the Mets (once so far) all made or won the WS over the last 12 yrs or so.

so, if an NL East team made the WS 8 times over the last 12 years, hard to call that a weak division.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Abel007
As many as the Red Sox.

And only half as many as the Marlins.

 

[Abel007]

True, but how many times were they in the postseason? Somehow I don't think your answer will be anywhere near 15 over the last 16 years.

And yes, I know the Marlins haven't been around for all of the last 16 years.

 

[Syringer]

Frank Thomas - 39hr, 114rbi - $500,000
Huston Street - 37saves - $340,000
Nick Swishser - 35hr, 95rbi - $335,000
Justin Duchscherer - 55ip, 2.91era - $344,000
Dan Haren - 14 wins, 223ip, 176 k's - $550,000
Joe Blanton - 16 wins - $327,000

Not bad bang for the buck

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Abel007
True, but how many times were they in the postseason? Somehow I don't think your answer will be anywhere near 15 over the last 16 years.

And yes, I know the Marlins haven't been around for all of the last 16 years.

What's the goal here? Is it to win a lameass division and bow out in the first round or is it to win the whole shebang? EVERY baseball player on earth would trade a bunch of playoff defeats for one more world series title. Nobody is playing for 4th place.

What the Braves accomplished was impressive, but they will forever be remembered not for that streak, but for their failure to win the World Series.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
Yes, his name is Omar Minaya.

not really. what has the guy done but passed out checks?

 

[Al Neri]

a) Frank Thomas was the smartest singing in the past few years

b) Scott Hatteberg Pickin' Machine!

c) ElFenix: Minaya made a ton of trades also key acquisitions

Carlos Delgado, Xavier Nady, John Maine, Paul Loduca, El Duque to name some.

lets talk about guys who don't get paid too much and payed huge dividends Endy Chavez and Jose Valentin. Now that I look at your profile, it all makes sense

City: HoustonHoustonHoustonHoustonHo



Province/State: Texas

Mets are in the Post Season, Houston isn't Mets knocked houston out in 86

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
Yes, his name is Omar Minaya.

not really. what has the guy done but passed out checks?

He'll probably be better remembered (we'll know in a few years) for things he hasn't done, like trading away their best prospects for has-beens.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Abel007
True, but how many times were they in the postseason? Somehow I don't think your answer will be anywhere near 15 over the last 16 years.

And yes, I know the Marlins haven't been around for all of the last 16 years.

What's the goal here? Is it to win a lameass division and bow out in the first round or is it to win the whole shebang? EVERY baseball player on earth would trade a bunch of playoff defeats for one more world series title. Nobody is playing for 4th place.

What the Braves accomplished was impressive, but they will forever be remembered not for that streak, but for their failure to win the World Series.

well, they did win it once.

they went to 5 world series, so again, your first round comment is ludicrous.

they went to 7 or 8 NFC Championship games, so again, first round?

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
Yes, his name is Omar Minaya.

not really. what has the guy done but passed out checks?

He'll probably be better remembered (we'll know in a few years) for things he hasn't done, like trading away their best prospects for has-beens.

did you just call carlos delgado a has been???