Is there a "best" surge surpressor? (small field?)

drunkgamer

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Ok,

I hate when people ask if there is a "best" anything because it's impossible to categorize what best means.

So I'll try and specify:

1) I find very few mainstream surge supressors to begin with and Belkin seems to have somewhat cornered the market.

2) I simply what reliable and consistent protection, ideally at a high Joule rating (2500+).

I can't find anything that would be small-business worthy (i.e. a data closet, etc.) from Belkin. If I'm missing a great, best-of-breed product from them, can someone list it? However, searching for Surge Supressors on either Amazon or Newegg brings up tons of cheap Belkin products.

I have used TrippLite products (such as http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER) in the past (many years ago) and it worked great, but now I've heard they went downhill.

Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance.

P.S. I'm considering even going for a slightly cheaper Tripp Lite as I need a few and I like that this one accomodates transformers, etc.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812120300
 
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Remobz

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Can a UPS be plugged into a surge protector you think?


UPS > surge protector > wall outlet
 

tynopik

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Can a UPS be plugged into a surge protector you think?


UPS > surge protector > wall outlet

CAN a UPS be plugged into a surge protector? yes

SHOULD a UPS be plugged into a surge protector? absolutely not
 

westom

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2) I simply what reliable and consistent protection, ideally at a high Joule rating (2500+).
Start by viewing manufacturer specifications. Each relevant number will claim protection from a typically destructive surge - if it really does protection. A majority will only believe what advertising recommends. An informed consumer can say what a protector does. And provide numbers that say so. Be wary of any recommendation without spec numbers.

If a protector is adjacent to appliances, then it can either absorb that surge. Or must block it. How does a protector's hundreds of joules absorb a surge that is hundreds of thousands of joules? How does a 2 cm part inside stop what three miles of sky could not?

Damning questions never asked by a majority who confuse word association with knowledge. Who assume "surge protector" and "surge protection" are same. They are not.

In any facility that can never have damage, Belkin is not used. Using one might even get an employee fired. What the Belkin claims to do contradicts what protectors did even 100 years ago. Somehow it makes a surge magically disappear?

The NIST (US government research agency) says what every effective protector does.
> You cannot really suppress a surge altogether, nor "arrest" it. What
> these protective devices do is neither suppress nor arrest a surge, but
> simply divert it to ground, where it can do no harm.

In facilities that can never have damage, an effective protector connects hundreds of thousands of joules 'low impedance' (ie 'less than 10 feet') to single point earth ground. A protector is only a connecting device. Used only when wire cannot do the same function.

Many protection systems have no protectors. But every protection system must have the only items that does protection. Single point earth ground. Defined is a “protector” and “protection” - two different items.

Again, the always asked and answered question. Where does energy dissipate? Any solution that cannot answer that question is, well, that is why so many recommend the Belkin. Like Saddam's WMDs, a majority will only believe what they are told to believe. Not ask damning questions. And most important, not demand the numbers. Protection is the only item always required in every protection system. Single point earth ground. A protector not connected to protection will claim what? Where are the Belkin spec numbers that claim protection? Numbers will not be provided because Belkin does not discuss or claim protection.

Take a $4 power strip. Add some ten cent protector parts. Sells for $9 in the supermarket. How much does Belkin charge for a similar protector with similar specifications? $25? $40? $100? Obscene profits.

A solution implemented in every facility that cannot have damage (even munitions dumps) can also be obtained retail from companies with superior reputations. Most any guy knows General Electric, ABB, Siemens, Leviton, Square D, and Intermatic. A protector to even protect the furnace, air conditioner, all digital clocks, TV, computer and smoke detectors sells for less than $50 in Lowes and Home Depot under the Cutler-Hammer brand name.

More numbers. A typically destructive surge (ie direct lightning strike) can be 20,000 amps. So a minimal 'whole house' protector starts at 50,000 amps. But again, those more responsible companies sell a solution well proven by over 100 years of science and experience.

Your telco's CO is connected to overhead wires all over town. Will typically suffer 100 surges with each thunderstorm. How often is your town without phone service for four days after a thunderstorm? Never? Because all telcos earth 'whole house' protectors. To increase that protection, telcos want an earthed protector to be up to 50 meters separated from electronics. Why do some manufacturers (ie Belkin) not discuss this? Why threaten obscene profits with technical honesty. Most only believe what they are told in advertising and by retail salesmen. Why are telcos fanatical about what does the protection (earthing)? Why does Belkin say nothing about earth ground?

How many damning questions demand numbers? Sun Microsystems says earthing a 'whole house' protector is essential for protection. From their "Planning guide for Sun Server rooms":
> Section 6.4.7 Lightning Protection:
> Lightning surges cannot be stopped, but they can be diverted. The
> plans for the data center should be thoroughly reviewed to identify
> any paths for surge entry into the data center. Surge arrestors can
> be designed into the system to help mitigate the potential for
> lightning damage within the data center. These should divert the
> power of the surge by providing a path to ground for the surge
> energy.

Sun says where energy must dissipate. Do same for all household appliances by earthing one 'whole house' protector where AC mains enter the building. Costs about $1 per protected appliance. Why does a superior solution also cost so much less money? No obscene profit margins. It is not selling on advertising myths. The superior solution comes with the reasons why … and numbers.

Protection is always about where hundreds of thousands of joules dissipate. The superior solution means even direct lightning strikes are made irrelevant. Earth one 'whole house' protector connected low impedance (ie 'less than 10 feet') to single point earth ground. Superior ‘whole house’ solution even sells in Lowes, Home Depot, or any electrical supply house for about $1 per protected appliance. So many relevant numbers that come from people who actually do make direct lightning strikes and lesser surges irrelevant.
 

drunkgamer

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Sweet baby dwarven Jesus.

If this wasn't cut and paste, its an epic reply.

Why couldn't someone like you answer my more important questions! :)

P.S. I guess your telling me to get the Tripp Lite.
 

westom

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P.S. I guess your telling me to get the Tripp Lite.
Get the $9 one from a supermarket or Wal-Mart. Same protector circuit. Similar specification numbers. Spend maybe 5 or 8 times less money for an equivalent product - to have same ineffective protection.
 

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The best information on surges and surge protection I have seen is at:
http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lhm/IEEE_Guide.pdf
- How to protect your house and its contents from lightning: IEEE guide for surge protection of equipment connected to AC power and communication circuits published by the IEEE in 2005 .
And also:
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/practiceguides/surgesfnl.pdf
- NIST recommended practice guide: Surges Happen!: how to protect the appliances in your home published by the US National Institute of Standards and Technology in 2001

The IEEE guide is aimed at those with some technical background. The NIST guide is aimed at the general public.

If a protector is adjacent to appliances, then it can either absorb that surge. Or must block it.

Protectors do not work by *absorbing* or *blocking*.

The IEEE surge guide explains (staring page 30) that plug-in protectors work by limiting the voltage on all wires (power and signal) to the ground at the protector.

How does a protector's hundreds of joules absorb a surge that is hundreds of thousands of joules? How does a 2 cm part inside stop what three miles of sky could not?

It is willful stupidity. Protectors do not work by *absorbing* or *blocking*.

The author of the NIST surge guide looked at the amount of energy that might actually be absorbed in a plug-in protector. The maximum was 35 joules. That was with surges that went up to the equivalent of a 100,000A lightning strike to a utility pole adjacent to the house. A plug-in protector with high ratings (2500J is very high) and wired correctly is likely to protect from even a very close, very strong lightning strike.

***When using a plug-in protector all interconnected equipment needs to be connected to the same plug-in protector. External connections, like phone and cable, also need to go through the protector. Connecting all wiring through the protector prevents damaging voltages between power and signal wires.

The NIST (US government research agency) says what every effective protector does.

What does the NIST surge guide really say about plug-in suppressors?
They are *the easiest solution*.
And *one effective solution is to have the consumer install* a multiport plug-in suppressor.

Where are the Belkin spec numbers that claim protection? Numbers will not be provided because Belkin does not discuss or claim protection.

Complete nonsense.

Take a $4 power strip. Add some ten cent protector parts. Sells for $9 in the supermarket. How much does Belkin charge for a similar protector with similar specifications?

Provide a link to a 2500 joule MOV for 10 cents.

Most any guy knows General Electric, ABB, Siemens, Leviton, Square D, and Intermatic.

And all these companies except SquareD makes plug-in protectors and says they are effective. SquareD says for their *best* service panel protector *electronic equipment may need additional protection by installing plug-in [protectors] at the point of use*.

And both the IEEE and NIST surge guides also say plug-in protectors are effective.

Why does Belkin say nothing about earth ground?

Because plug-in protectors do not work primarily by earthing a surge. The IEEE surge guide explains it all for anyone who can read and think.

Westom believes surge protection must directly use earthing, so plug-in protectors can not possibly work. Because westom is evangelical in his belief he googles for *surge* to spread his crusade to eliminate the scourge of plug-in protectors.

Do same for all household appliances by earthing one 'whole house' protector where AC mains enter the building.

Service panel suppressors are a good idea.
But from the NIST guide:
Q - Will a surge protector installed at the service entrance be sufficient for the whole house?
A - There are two answers to than question: Yes for one-link appliances [electronic equipment], No for two-link appliances [equipment connected to power AND phone or cable or....]. Since most homes today have some kind of two-link appliances, the prudent answer to the question would be NO - but that does not mean that a surge protector installed at the service entrance is useless.

The NIST surge guide suggests that most equipment damage is from high voltage between power and phone/cable/... wires. A service panel protector does not protect from high voltage between power and phone/cable/dish/... wires. A service panel protector is likely to protect anything connected only to power wires (and can protect from a very near, very strong lightning strike).


For a plug-in protector I would look for a major brand (includes Belkin, TrippLite and the companies westom named) and a high rating (2500J is very high). Other external connections to the protected equipment (like phone and cable) need to go through the protector.

Protectors shouldn't be daisy-chained.
 

truckerCLOCK

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You could put a ground halo in your room..... j/k. I think any surge protector will work as long as your "house grounds" are truly grounded..ie outlet drains are going to a pyhsical ground rod not a water pipe.
 
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