is the Xbone hardware definitely inferior to the PS4?

[tipoo]

from what we saw at E3 they are both using large fans, i would assume they are 120+ low speed so hopefully they shoudl be quiet

Was the fan size ever shown? What is this based off?

They are both pretty silent though, all the hands on point to that.

 

[bearxor]

 

[glugglug]

It has already been confirmed the "DVR functionality" on the X-Bone will be 720p only, including the auto-recording of you getting any achievements.

Netflix got downgraded from 1080p to 720p with the Metro dashboard update at the end of 2011 (view debug info on 360 apps now it shows your display is 1280x720 regardless of the settings you actually chose).

Basically the only things that are playing 1080p on the 360 now are overpriced Pay-Per-View rentals from XBOX Video/Zune and Media Center (since MS doesn't have any developers still on that to downgrade it). Even DLNA streaming from your PC is downscaled to 720p.

It wouldn't be that shocking at this point for all apps other than overpriced XBOX Video rentals to be 720p on the X-Bone as well. I guess it doesn't need as strong a GPU if MS is never going to let 3rd parties use 1080p anyway...

 

[BrightCandle]

I am really surprised that Microsoft is targeting 720p so heavily. The GPU is less powerful than the ps3 but its more than capable of 1080p with a little lower quality effects.

Saying that most people don't seem to not I e the low resolution on the current gen of consoles. There were games at 512p that were upscaled and the sold and reviewed very well. On a PX you have more visual area filled by the screen than the average loving to TV so a lower resolution has less impact. But its still a disappointment to find 720p in anything at all. To find early games are already upscaling is a concern in general.

 

[Arkaign]

Bah. Now we have the first confirmations that X1 really is going to be weaker for cross platform titles. GDDR5 vs. DDR3, 7850/7870 class GPU vs. 7750/7770 class GPU, I'm honestly surprised that so many die hard Xbox fans dedicated themselves to denial for so long. "They will code to the lowest common denominator, all the games will look the same".

The next shoe to drop will be COD Ghosts. And then the sports releases. And then Assassin's Creed, and etc, etc, etc.

You can't run 30-50% weaker hardware combined with garbage for graphics memory and expect anything BUT this result.

The particularly aggravating thing is that this was SO predictable. People acted like it was some kind of rocket science to 'optimize' for the faster console, when it's just cranking the sliders up on the engine. Something they ALWAYS attempt to make a balance on whenever they do a CP game.

 

[purbeast0]

Bah. Now we have the first confirmations that X1 really is going to be weaker for cross platform titles. GDDR5 vs. DDR3, 7850/7870 class GPU vs. 7750/7770 class GPU, I'm honestly surprised that so many die hard Xbox fans dedicated themselves to denial for so long. "They will code to the lowest common denominator, all the games will look the same".

The next shoe to drop will be COD Ghosts. And then the sports releases. And then Assassin's Creed, and etc, etc, etc.

You can't run 30-50% weaker hardware combined with garbage for graphics memory and expect anything BUT this result.

The particularly aggravating thing is that this was SO predictable. People acted like it was some kind of rocket science to 'optimize' for the faster console, when it's just cranking the sliders up on the engine. Something they ALWAYS attempt to make a balance on whenever they do a CP game.

you must have not seen the video, because the 2 games DO look virtually the same.

 

[Arkaign]

you must have not seen the video, because the 2 games DO look virtually the same.

A video hosted by who? Videos are compressed like crazy. You have to be blind to see these screenshots and not see massive differences, particularly at objects at range :

It's in the middle of this thread.

Expand it to 1080p, and look at each of the details. It's not a small difference.

And keep in mind that not only are the details considerably better on PS4, but the framerate is also superior.

 

[Arkaign]

Ah yes, I see that video, it's on Youtube, king of making "1080p" look worse than a DVD.

 

[purbeast0]

thankfully i'm one of the few people who can enjoy both consoles and don't have to worry about picking sides like the majority of gamers seem to have to do.

 

[Anteaus]

With DVR the reason they went with 720P is primarily to keep file sizes manageable. At 1080P, a heavily compressed video will still clock in at 2-4GB per hour, with blu-ray quality video at 10-15GB per hour including video. Not only does using 720P mean a reduced impact on hard drive compacity, it means sharing videos online won't be so catastrophic on those with reduced internet capabilities. There is bound to eventually be a user setting to increase this, but initially it will be 720P. Many of these design choices are software based and easily changed later, which makes me wonder why people use them as counterpoint.

Neither console has a hardware configuration that is awe inspiring, especially when compared to what is already mainstream in the computing world. People like to use mathematically disparity to compare them, but when you add them to the pool of affordable hardware already in circulation, you have a mid-level machine being compared with a slightly faster mid-level machine, neither of which is really all that glamarous. At least when the PS3 had the Cell processor there was fancy tech to brag about, but now we have two boring X86 consoles differentiated primarily by the way they look and the way they get things done. Much like a PC and iMac. They use the same parts with small variance; just they have different operating systems and available software.

The truth of the matter is that while both the PS3 and 360 did 1080P in some capacities, both systems were designed around 720P. The Xbox One and PS4 are basically going to do exactly the same thing the 360 and PS3 did, except better. Anyone who expecting some awe inspiring leap in their gaming experience should seriously reconsider what they hope to get out of it. Otherwise, there will be disappointment and buyer's remorse, regardless of which console you buy. There will definitely be more 1080P gaming overall, but both companies purposely chose efficiency and cost control over power this time around.

 

[purbeast0]

The truth of the matter is that while both the PS3 and 360 did 1080P in some capacities, both systems were designed around 720P. The Xbox One and PS4 are basically going to do exactly the same thing the 360 and PS3 did, except better. Anyone who expecting some awe inspiring leap in their gaming experience should seriously reconsider what they hope to get out of it. Otherwise, there will be disappointment and buyer's remorse, regardless of which console you buy. There will definitely be more 1080P gaming overall, but both companies purposely chose efficiency and cost control over power this time around.

they are both a big jump in gaming experience. go take a look at the link i posted that shows the 12 ps3 launch titles. they look like n64 games compared to the current x1/ps4 games.

 

[Arkaign]

thankfully i'm one of the few people who can enjoy both consoles and don't have to worry about picking sides like the majority of gamers seem to have to do.

I will definitely have an XB1, if only for Forza (I imagine you're similar with Killer Instinct, haha). For other exclusives that people really care about, that makes sense to me as well.

At the same time, it can't be denied that if you own the XB1 and PS4, it looks like the PS4 will be the defacto choice for multiplatform games. Why pay the same for worse graphics/framerate? Particularly 720p in 2013 and beyond.

 

[purbeast0]

I will definitely have an XB1, if only for Forza (I imagine you're similar with Killer Instinct, haha). For other exclusives that people really care about, that makes sense to me as well.

At the same time, it can't be denied that if you own the XB1 and PS4, it looks like the PS4 will be the defacto choice for multiplatform games. Why pay the same for worse graphics/framerate? Particularly 720p in 2013 and beyond.

if graphics were the only thing people cared about, consoles wouldn't be making 100x more money than the pc gaming industry.

why pay more for cod on 360 or ps3 when you can get the better graphics and framerate for cheaper on pc?

 

[Arkaign]

if graphics were the only thing people cared about, consoles wouldn't be making 100x more money than the pc gaming industry.

why pay more for cod on 360 or ps3 when you can get the better graphics and framerate for cheaper on pc?

No, people by and large are scared of PCs, don't know that they can use console controllers, and can't get their favorite franchises on PC a lot of the time. It's just incomparable. It's like saying "Oh, all consoles are a failure because smartphones outsell them 50 to 1."

Go into any thread on Youtube related to PC v Console and you have PC gaming elitists acting like dicks, and console gamers spewing ignorance. So much bad information and misconceptions.

95% of console gamers haven't got the first clue about PC gaming, the remaining 5% are split between people that do both like me, and those that WOULD play PC if the games were there.

Madden? Nope.
KI? Nope.
Gran Turismo? Nope.
Forza? Nope.
Mario? Nope.
Zelda? Nope.
Halo? Nope.
Gears? Nope.

I could go on almost infinitely.

But on a new console gen, where 90% of the games are going to be cross platform, unless you are a diehard Xbox fan, or must have one of the exclusives, there's no reason to choose the XB1 as your main gaming system. I know a lot of people like me will just get both though.

 

[purbeast0]

on a new console gen, where 90% of the games are going to be cross platform, unless you are a diehard Xbox fan, or must have one of the exclusives, there's no reason to choose the XB1 as your main gaming system. I know a lot of people like me will just get both though.

that is just a moronic/ignorant thing to say. off the top of my head things that i prefer on ms consoles over sony.

- online gaming is much MUCH better
- 360 controller > ps3 controller
- integration with the online components of the game is much more streamlined on 360 than ps3.
- the online community in the games i play is much more prevelant on 360 than ps3 and much more skilled.

i'm sure other people have their own reasons as well. and yes, this is basing off of 360 and ps3 comparisons, because i can't tell the future and don't know how these things will playout on x1 and ps4.

as of now i once again plan on having x1 as the dominant online console and ps4 will be the dominant single player experience console.

but no, everyone should just jump on the ps4 because it has higher native resolution than the x1, even though the ps4 isn't even 1080p (in this one game example of bf4).

 

[Arkaign]

that is just a moronic/ignorant thing to say. off the top of my head things that i prefer on ms consoles over sony.

- online gaming is much MUCH better
- 360 controller > ps3 controller
- integration with the online components of the game is much more streamlined on 360 than ps3.
- the online community in the games i play is much more prevelant on 360 than ps3 and much more skilled.

i'm sure other people have their own reasons as well. and yes, this is basing off of 360 and ps3 comparisons, because i can't tell the future and don't know how these things will playout on x1 and ps4.

as of now i once again plan on having x1 as the dominant online console and ps4 will be the dominant single player experience console.

but no, everyone should just jump on the ps4 because it has higher native resolution than the x1, even though the ps4 isn't even 1080p (in this one game example of bf4).

You call me moronic/ignorant? How wonderfully predictable when you come back with pure opinion. Let's go down the line :

(1)- We have no idea what online will be like on PS4.
(2)- People have different controller preferences. I don't have a favorite amongst PS3/360 controllers, but people have noted that the PS4 controller is hugely improved, and people already have them in the wild already. This is still a matter of personal preference though.
(3)- Another PS3/360 comparison, we don't know how the PS4/XB1 experience will be.
(4)- Another PS3/360 comparison, we don't know how the PS4/XB1 experience will be.

Compare PS2 to Xbox OG, and use that to predict PS3 and 360. Compare PS1 and N64, and use that to Predict PS2 vs. Gamecube. Compare NES and Sega Master System, and use that to predict SNES vs. Genesis. Do you get the idea? Things change.

I'm not going to come back and try to pick/quote a single section of your post and then call you an idiot/moron by inference. You're old enough to know what class is.

 

[purbeast0]

actually the ps2 to xbox is pretty much on point with the ps3 to 360 comparison. xbox had much better online gaming and the controller was much better as well (the S controller).

and obviously we don't know what the details about x1 and ps4 will be, but people buying the console at launch have to make an educated decision of what they want, and a lot of that will be due to the history of the companies and their consoles.

and no i didn't say you were a moron or ignorant - i said it's ignorant to say that graphics are the only thing that people should base their console purchase decision on.

 

[bearxor]

that is just a moronic/ignorant thing to say. off the top of my head things that i prefer on ms consoles over sony.

- online gaming is much MUCH better
- 360 controller > ps3 controller
- integration with the online components of the game is much more streamlined on 360 than ps3.
- the online community in the games i play is much more prevelant on 360 than ps3 and much more skilled.

i'm sure other people have their own reasons as well. and yes, this is basing off of 360 and ps3 comparisons, because i can't tell the future and don't know how these things will playout on x1 and ps4.

as of now i once again plan on having x1 as the dominant online console and ps4 will be the dominant single player experience console.

but no, everyone should just jump on the ps4 because it has higher native resolution than the x1, even though the ps4 isn't even 1080p (in this one game example of bf4).

Well most of your complaints are about online. I'm going to give it the comparison that the PS3 PSN is more like the Xbox's version of Live than the 360's.

Remember that Live didn't launch with the Xbox. It took them another year from the Xbox launch to get Live up and running. And when it was up and running, it was very much like PSN on PS3. Very sandboxed.

They were able to fix that on the 360 by designing the console around the Live experience. I believe Sony is doing the same thing with the PS4. Now that the infrastructure is in place, it's time to better integrate the experience in to the core of the console.

And, from the rumors, it appears that the One's XBL implementation is just not that great at this point.
http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/a...x-live-is-a-mess-that-will-take-months-to-fix

Recent rumblings have given us reason to believe that Sony's PS4 launch isn't going to be as polished as it hoped. However, a new source makes it appear that Microsoft is in much more dire straights.

Trusted source Pete Dodd, also known as famousmortimer on NeoGaf, has a new post on his blog where he claims that the Xbox One's operating system is in serious trouble. An unnamed Xbox developer he has spoken to has gone as far as to say the current state of the Xbox One OS and Xbox Live is a "****ing mess" that isn't near ready for a November 22nd debut. Apparently, core online functionalities aren't working, things fundamentally critical to the Xbox experience such as friend requests, game invites, and party creation.

He goes on to explain that this is due in-part to the new Xbox One environment being "written by a group of people who do not play games". This oversight has now cost Microsoft thousands of man hours and invaluable time.

This wouldn't come as too much surprise after the Xbox One DRM was removed. Engineers put a lot of work into designing that infrastructure only to have to spend time finding a way to make the console work without it.

We haven't seen a proper live demonstration of the Xbox One UI and there's less than a month to go until launch. What we have seen are pre-staged interactions that are far from genuine. Even journalism veteran Jeff Gerstmann has found these rumors unsurprising, stating that Microsoft "haven't exactly been out there showing it off in live environments".

This doesn't mean the Xbox One won't come out on November 22nd. What it does mean is Microsoft could have a lot more to deal with than the floods of gamers angry that the Xbox One isn't as powerful as the PS4 or that Microsoft requires the purchase of a Kinect with its new console. As if those walls of burden weren't enough.

If this rumor is true, you can bet that Microsoft's engineers are working overtime to make sure things are settled before the next-gen battle begins next month. Stay tuned for a comment by Microsoft on the matter.

I've never owned a Sony console (well, I have a PSP), and I had preordered a PS4. The writing is on the wall, quite frankly. And as much as I love the franchises on the Xbox, and I'm really bummed that I'll miss out on Forza, it's just not the right choice for me this gen and I can't afford $1000 in gaming hardware to have both.

 

[Arkaign]

actually the ps2 to xbox is pretty much on point with the ps3 to 360 comparison. xbox had much better online gaming and the controller was much better as well (the S controller).

and obviously we don't know what the details about x1 and ps4 will be, but people buying the console at launch have to make an educated decision of what they want, and a lot of that will be due to the history of the companies and their consoles.

and no i didn't say you were a moron or ignorant - i said it's ignorant to say that graphics are the only thing that people should base their console purchase decision on.

Exclusives are the primary reason to choose the console beyond real-life performance+hardware imo. Hell you can use a 360 controller on PS3 perfectly if you choose to, we'll probably have similar options on PS4/XB1 once again. Controller choice is a personal thing though. The D pad on the stock 360 controller is so bad that I use a Madcatz 360 controller. It's even better than the PS3 D-pad. Fwiw the analog sticks and triggers are supposedly a huge step up on DS4, though I never had a problem with the analogs/triggers on 360 or PS3.

 

[cmdrdredd]

that is just a moronic/ignorant thing to say. off the top of my head things that i prefer on ms consoles over sony.

- online gaming is much MUCH better
- 360 controller > ps3 controller
- integration with the online components of the game is much more streamlined on 360 than ps3.
- the online community in the games i play is much more prevelant on 360 than ps3 and much more skilled.

i'm sure other people have their own reasons as well. and yes, this is basing off of 360 and ps3 comparisons, because i can't tell the future and don't know how these things will playout on x1 and ps4.

as of now i once again plan on having x1 as the dominant online console and ps4 will be the dominant single player experience console.

but no, everyone should just jump on the ps4 because it has higher native resolution than the x1, even though the ps4 isn't even 1080p (in this one game example of bf4).

Aren't you saying you have to play them to find out yet you immediately claim the ps4 is inferior in online ezperience?

 

[purbeast0]

Aren't you saying you have to play them to find out yet you immediately claim the ps4 is inferior in online ezperience?

where did i claim the ps4 is inferior to x1 online?

 

[cmdrdredd]

where did i claim the ps4 is inferior to x1 online?

Line one "Xbox online gaming is much better"

 

[TreVader]

No, people by and large are scared of PCs, don't know that they can use console controllers, and can't get their favorite franchises on PC a lot of the time. It's just incomparable. It's like saying "Oh, all consoles are a failure because smartphones outsell them 50 to 1."

Go into any thread on Youtube related to PC v Console and you have PC gaming elitists acting like dicks, and console gamers spewing ignorance. So much bad information and misconceptions.

95% of console gamers haven't got the first clue about PC gaming, the remaining 5% are split between people that do both like me, and those that WOULD play PC if the games were there.

Madden? Nope.
KI? Nope.
Gran Turismo? Nope.
Forza? Nope.
Mario? Nope.
Zelda? Nope.
Halo? Nope.
Gears? Nope.

I could go on almost infinitely.

But on a new console gen, where 90% of the games are going to be cross platform, unless you are a diehard Xbox fan, or must have one of the exclusives, there's no reason to choose the XB1 as your main gaming system. I know a lot of people like me will just get both though.

Scared of PCs? Are you serious?


People are not "scared" of anything, they just don't have the patience to sit around all day building and rebuilding a finicky machine that provides great performance but requires tons of effort. There is nothing scary about having bigger priorities than installing the next nVidia or AMD graphics card or picking a certain socked motherboard with the idea that you will one day upgrade to some processor with more cache/cores.

There was a time in my life when I had no job and was happy to sit around and tinker with my $3500 P4 3.2 clocked to 4Ghz on water. That was senior year of high school , late 2003. Since then I have found bigger priorities and so has everyone except you.

Xbox1 is the real choice for people who don't masturbate over memory clock frequencies. If you love to geek out about an extra level of AA/AF then PS4 is for you. Different strokes for different folks (no pun intended).

 

[purbeast0]

Line one "Xbox online gaming is much better"

line 1 says nothing about xbox1.

 

[Gloomy]

thankfully i'm one of the few people who can enjoy both consoles and don't have to worry about picking sides like the majority of gamers seem to have to do.

Don't defend something that is garbage and costs more. As an enthusiast you should behave objectively with your tech purchases. The Xbox is gigatrash and you should treat it as such.

And if you disagree, well... this website has "tech" in the title... maybe you should take your opinions to the XboxOne subreddit. They have North Korea style delusions going on that will cater to your purchasing decisions. I'm sure you'll feel at home there.

Everywhere else though... yeah, you're going to get reamed for saying a word in defence.

Seriously though. It's so bad... the PS4 is about as powerful as my PC currently is, a little stronger truth be told. Now that's respectable.