is the Xbone hardware definitely inferior to the PS4?

[Rage187]

From the rumors of CoD being 720p on the X1 and 1080p on the PS4, I would say yes. There is a big difference right up front.

 

[futurefields]

one things for sure, if it gets to be an issue that Sony has the more powerful hardware, you can be sure Microsoft will start throwing tons of free shit via Xbox Gold perks to intice people over that way. free games and shit means a lot to some people.

of course, thats 100% speculation, but just sayin.

 

[Bman123]

I started thinking about buying Xbox 1 but after seeing the numbers for Call of Duty ghosts it just makes you think that the PlayStation 4 is going to be the better console over the lifespan.

all of my friends are buying the Xbox 1 but in all honesty I'm thinking about jumping ship and going to the PlayStation 4 the one thing that the Xbox one has over the PlayStation 4 is the networking, the online play is going to be better for sure on xbox but at the same time is the network enough of a reason to make you buy less powerful hardware?

 

[cmdrdredd]

I started thinking about buying Xbox 1 but after seeing the numbers for Call of Duty ghosts it just makes you think that the PlayStation 4 is going to be the better console over the lifespan.

all of my friends are buying the Xbox 1 but in all honesty I'm thinking about jumping ship and going to the PlayStation 4 the one thing that the Xbox one has over the PlayStation 4 is the networking, the online play is going to be better for sure on xbox but at the same time is the network enough of a reason to make you buy less powerful hardware?

We don't know that online play will be better on the xbox anyway. Sony has remade PSN and integrated a dedicated chip to offload network processes and built PSN into the OS. Things should be a lot more even, you get cross game chat and all that too.

I'm getting an Xbox if it means any. The PlayStation and its atrocious networking and software kind of soured me from the thought of getting a PS4.

Do some research...read above. The way your comment sounds to me is that you never even looked at the info out there.

 

[Dominato3r]

Do some research...read above. The way your comment sounds to me is that you never even looked at the info out there.

What info do you believe I have not looked at?

I've read as much as I can and everything has lead me to believe I will have a better online experience in one service over another.

 

[mizzou]

PS4 has it beat in every arena hardware wise.

Bottom line, it will be noticeable in cross platform games BIG time.

None of this ps3/360 barely noticeable difference. The differences will be gargantuan in comparison.

If games are already getting watered down....get ready for a Wii-ified Xbox. More focus on motion controls and the like, less focus on hard core gaming.

And if you want to talk exclusives, just wait to see the difference between a ps4 exclusive and xbone exclusive...your jaw may drop!


But always remember, great hardware does not a console king make. Several hardware devices have failed, even when they were clearly top dog in performance....but in the end....I don't see PS4 encountering those obstacles (3rd party support/price/household name)

 

[Sonikku]

+1

An fixed hardware gaming platform ie. Console with an i7 + 780 would be capable of insane game development. Imagine a GTA or Fallout game that leveragdd that total power for world interactivity, AI complexity etc... it could be almost lifelike im guessing.

I think an i5 + 7950 would be plenty for a mainstream console. Except developers are struggling dearly with the rising dev cost of games and most short of the big three, Activision and EA are only one flop away from not being able to make more. Even if you gave devs unimaginable hardware, there would reach a point where their business models budget could no longer fully take advantage of said hardware.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

There is a ~500Gflop difference between them. I'll be honest, I have no idea what that means.

A little less than the processing power of the GTS 250.

 

[exdeath]

PS4 hardware is superior.

Will it matter?

No. Superior hardware has never meant a thing in the history of the console market.

Also ZOMG DUDE HALO! OMG BRO DAT SHITS TIGHT!

 

[Bman123]

The ps4 exclusives should really shine graphic wise

 

[bearxor]

I don't think it will matter, at first.

I think it will really matter in 2-3 years depending on how well the X1 does. If the X1 flops, which I think is a strong possibility since basically every advantage Microsoft had with the 360 has been nullified, then developers will focus on the PS4 and the X1 will get stripped ports.

If they split the market, like they do currently, then it won't matter. Only first party published games will take advantage of the hardware.

 

[Arkaign]

PS4 hardware is superior.

Will it matter?

No. Superior hardware has never meant a thing in the history of the console market.

Also ZOMG DUDE HALO! OMG BRO DAT SHITS TIGHT!

Marketing, games, pricing matter. You're right that for the most part the masses are absolute retards. After the massive wave of RROD 360s, people shouldn't have bought into the 360 until they really fixed things. Ditto Sony and their overpriced PS3.

People are a bit more educated on things this time around, but only slightly. But superior platform releases of multiplatform games could change things if it is extremely noticeable.

 

[nextJin]

The best possible comparisons are:

Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400%

So yes it's more powerful, Sony has yet to release CPU or GPU clock rates so they could be slightly lower or push 2Ghz who knows. It's not going to matter with such a large difference.

The biggest thing to consider is NOT launch titles, games generally start looking better and better all through out a consoles life and that is where I think the PS4 is going to find its stride. They will both look great but the PS4 has more staying power and longer legs so what we see from both after 5-6 years should show obvious differences and not just small differences either.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I owned a PS3 this generation, and there was a noticable difference in the multiplatform titles. The degree of difference is up for debate, but I noticed it last gen and I will notice it this gen. There is no question games will run better on the PS4, and thus far, developers don't seem to be artifically limiting the PS4 versions for political reasons. I'm sure some will, but lauch games have a higher resolution on the PS4.

 

[Doppel]

There is a ~500Gflop difference between them. I'll be honest, I have no idea what that means.

Newb. What's next, you don't know the difference between the bus-side cache and the intra-core teraform? I don't know what they teach kids in school these days.

I don't know what it means, either. People who do seem convinced the PS4 is significantly faster than the xbone.

Others, who acknowledge this, also say that when it comes to games there may not end up being a huge difference, as games will be aimed at the lowest common denominator. That makes sense to me, but I am personally aiming for PS4 (I am 360 this gen) because it is cheaper and faster, and I don't give a shit about watching football on TV. Hell, I don't even have cable anymore.

 

[cmdrdredd]

What info do you believe I have not looked at?

I've read as much as I can and everything has lead me to believe I will have a better online experience in one service over another.

As I said... PSN is now part of the os...a core component of the experience. It was tacked on to the ps3 and was not made a priority. They have network chips to offload all the background tasks related to networking, you get all the voice chat options with the ps4 that Xbox live has so they are on par with each other in terms of features. Friend chat, cross game chat etc. It's all there.

The experience will not mirror what the PS3 has/does.

 

[Anarchist420]

I never really observed ps3 and xbox360 multiplatform titles in motion, but they traded blows from what i understand and know.

Ati/amd's gpus have always had horrible filtering while the rsx was limited in terms of aa so that's why i am guessing the xbox360 had more general texture shimmering while the ps3 had more aliasing on geometry.

OTOH, if negative lod bias wasn't clamped and if AF on the RSX exceeded 4x, then textures would probably shimmer just as much as those of the xbox360.

 

[Anarchist420]

The best possible comparisons are: Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games Xbone: 768 Shaders Xbone: 48 Texture units Xbone: 16 ROPS Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56% PS4: 1152 Shaders +50% PS4: 72 Texture units +50% PS4: 32 ROPS + 100% PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400% So yes it's more powerful, Sony has yet to release CPU or GPU clock rates so they could be slightly lower or push 2Ghz who knows. It's not going to matter with such a large difference. The biggest thing to consider is NOT launch titles, games generally start looking better and better all through out a consoles life and that is where I think the PS4 is going to find its stride. They will both look great but the PS4 has more staying power and longer legs so what we see from both after 5-6 years should show obvious differences and not just small differences either.

thank you for your intuitive analysis

 

[Bman123]

As I said... PSN is now part of the os...a core component of the experience. It was tacked on to the ps3 and was not made a priority. They have network chips to offload all the background tasks related to networking, you get all the voice chat options with the ps4 that Xbox live has so they are on par with each other in terms of features. Friend chat, cross game chat etc. It's all there.

The experience will not mirror what the PS3 has/does.

I really hope your right. Can you post a link please

 

[BrightCandle]

When you look on the grand scheme of things from the 50 mile view however that 50% or so advantage the PS4 has wont really make much difference in the longer term in comparison to other platforms. We'll see graphics performance double on graphics cards in 1 years time and the consoles already chose mid range cards that are less than half the performance of a high end PC GPU. Give it 4 or so years and the consoles will be just 1/8th the performance of a PC GPU and every 2-3 years after that the advantage the PC market has will double.

The 50% advantage the PS4 has becomes a decimal point difference in the grand scheme of things when we talk about games 4 years away. But when you talk about comparing games across the 2 consoles for the same graphics the difference is a resolution of 1080p to 720p. There is every chance that the xbox one will always be runnin 720p while the PS4 will be running 1080p, with all else being equal. It might also be used to literally turn a 30 fps game into a 60fps game. That is quite a performance difference but it also gets out innovated very quickly by the graphics processing market as a whole. It either matters a lot or not a lot depending on your perspective of progress and whether you only play on the consoles or you also game on PCs.

 

[BladeVenom]

 

[Rage187]

That's pretty awesome.

 

[MBentz]

Damn that had me laughing. Thanks for the lulz.

 

[Bman123]

I think if anything the ram is what held back the current gen systems. I won't be buying a ps4 when it launches but I will be watching YouTube like a hawk to see how the cross game chat works, if it is any good I'll be looking around for a ps4 since I have $435 store credit at game stop

 

[HeXen]

Damn that had me laughing. Thanks for the lulz.

I don't get it

When you look on the grand scheme of things from the 50 mile view however that 50% or so advantage the PS4 has wont really make much difference in the longer term in comparison to other platforms. We'll see graphics performance double on graphics cards in 1 years time and the consoles already chose mid range cards that are less than half the performance of a high end PC GPU. Give it 4 or so years and the consoles will be just 1/8th the performance of a PC GPU and every 2-3 years after that the advantage the PC market has will double.

The 50% advantage the PS4 has becomes a decimal point difference in the grand scheme of things when we talk about games 4 years away. But when you talk about comparing games across the 2 consoles for the same graphics the difference is a resolution of 1080p to 720p. There is every chance that the xbox one will always be runnin 720p while the PS4 will be running 1080p, with all else being equal. It might also be used to literally turn a 30 fps game into a 60fps game. That is quite a performance difference but it also gets out innovated very quickly by the graphics processing market as a whole. It either matters a lot or not a lot depending on your perspective of progress and whether you only play on the consoles or you also game on PCs.

Yeah but your forgetting they can get a lot more performance and graphics from consoles than what the specs suggest. Every year console games look better and better. To see newer games like the last of us would have been thought impossible from most gamers on 512mb/7800 years ago.