Is the world overrun with tourists? No sense of adventure left?

JMapleton

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How many of us heard stories of trips our grandparents, or even our parents took and the places they went?

My parents really only went to Las Vegas (and they drove there! 1200 mile trip!) and a few other places, the rest of the world was never a thought to them. Most of my grandparents almost never traveled. Or their idea was a trip was Branson or Memphis to see Elvis's house.

In this day, where travel TV shows show ordinary yoyos globetrotting the world problem free, it seems people who has a desire to take real adventures have lesser and lesser options. The entire world is being paved with 4 lane expressways where buses of fannie-pack wearing tourists, with their packed lunches, and "Americanized" hosts hoist to anywhere from the Great Wall of China to the Taj Mahal to Castles deep within the heart of Europe. All without barely lifting a finger. Everything is roped off and "watch your step" caution signs.

Places that would take days or even weeks to get to 70 years ago, you can be there from anywhere in the word in 24 hours, while sitting in the lap of luxury with moist towelettes.

Now I don't have a problem with people exploring the world. I would sound like a hypocrite if I did. But it seems technology and commercialization has turned some of the world's last ancient and mysterious places into gift shops and photo opportunities for Facebook.

By far the worst example of this is Mt Everest. Since Hillary and Norgay did 70 years ago, what at one time many thought was impossible, thousands of suburban fitness buffs attempt to each year (of course with the extreme assistance from Sherpas and advanced technology). What a disrespect such a great feat.

Basically anyone who trained for 6 months on a stair stepper, thinks they are fit enough to attempt to climb to the top of the world. People have littered the mountain with trash and hundreds attempt every year with little or no high alt climbing experience.

What do you guys think, is the world overrun with tourists?
 

JMapleton

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The day you post this after having climbed down from the top of Mt Everest, I will take your post seriously.

Until then:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...atic-Republic-of-Congo-Lubumbashi-to-Kinshasa

Ok, two things.

1. Because I'm not Neil Armstrong or Reinhold Messner, that doesn't take away my right to express a logical argument, which you failed to actually address. I will not explain where I've traveled, that is irrelevant. Base your response off my words. Small minded thinkers debate with "one ups."

2. What does one example prove about the majority? Again, small minded thinkers use isolated instances to debate general topics. Never did I say every single person on this Earth is a package vacation tourist. I respect whomever went to The Congo, there are no Hiltons or Marriotts there. The same as a respect anyone who goes on a package vacation, as long as it's to a location intended for the "general public."
 
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JMapleton

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Visiting places is too easy, so we should just stay home?

Depends on where you're going. If you're going to a Cancun, sure, go as you please.

But if you're going on a real adventure, truly go on an adventure. There are no adventures on tour buses.
 

jaedaliu

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Depends on where you're going. If you're going to a Cancun, sure, go as you please.

But if you're going on a real adventure, truly go on an adventure. There are no adventures on tour buses.

So you're saying that it isn't worth visiting the Eiffel tower unless you go by rowing across the ocean and hacking through people's back yards with a machete?
 

Vdubchaos

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Stay away from your typical tourist traps OP.

Also, forget about Mt.Everest. K2 is and has always been a lot more difficutl climb.

There is always a choice....
 

Veliko

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By far the worst example of this is Mt Everest. Since Hillary and Norgay did 70 years ago, what at one time many thought was impossible, thousands of suburban fitness buffs attempt to each year (of course with the extreme assistance from Sherpas and advanced technology). What a disrespect such a great feat.

Basically anyone who trained for 6 months on a stair stepper, thinks they are fit enough to attempt to climb to the top of the world. People have littered the mountain with trash and hundreds attempt every year with little or no high alt climbing experience.

What do you guys think, is the world overrun with tourists?

I think you're a mental.

At one time it was considered a great feat to cross the Atlantic yet now we can do it in a few hours - is that also disrespectful?
 

Rakehellion

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The day you post this after having climbed down from the top of Mt Everest, I will take your post seriously.

This is me climbing Mount Everest:

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Did you see me? In the yellow?

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It was such an adventure! I had no idea if I was going to make it out alive!
 

Meghan54

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So you're saying that it isn't worth visiting the Eiffel tower unless you go by rowing across the ocean and hacking through people's back yards with a machete?


It only counts if you handmade the boat, or better yet, you made your own dugout canoe. Of course, it goes unsaid you have to make your own machete from iron ore you mined, smelted and cast into said machete.


Seriously, the OP seems to think climbing Everest these days is less difficult than the most dangerous "adventure" he endures....shopping for jeans...yep, them malls are such dens of danger.

And I suppose that with enough cash one can now fly into outer space has reduced that to a "tour bus" adventure, just like going to the bottom of the ocean, another "tour bus" adventure.

Yes, OP, the advance in technology is sooo horrible. Imagine letting the "common folk" experience that which was unattainable decades before. Don't those commoners know they deserve less?
 

Rakehellion

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At one time it was considered a great feat to cross the Atlantic yet now we can do it in a few hours - is that also disrespectful?

There are things of practical value on the other side of the Atlantic. The inside of a jumbo jet is not a tourist destination.
 

phucheneh

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Everest has arguable become more dangerous in recent years.

...it's like a Disneyworld queue for the fixed lines at the top. Which makes people less choosy about what day/time they summit.

And then Into Thin Air happens.
 

PliotronX

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We need elite teams of counter-tourists to keep the tourism threat at bay or else the tourists will soon amass an arsenal of weapons of mass observation.
 

glenn1

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The day you post this after having climbed down from the top of Mt Everest, I will take your post seriously.

Until then:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...atic-Republic-of-Congo-Lubumbashi-to-Kinshasa

With an Everest expedition typically running $50-75k or more nowadays, I think I'll pass. There's no reason to pay such a huge premium for what's arguably no better alpine experience than the other 8 thousanders and you could travel a long way on the same dough.
 

feralkid

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It only counts if you handmade the boat, or better yet, you made your own dugout canoe. Of course, it goes unsaid you have to make your own machete from iron ore you mined, smelted and cast into said machete.


Casting is for tourists; a true adventurer would make a crucible-forged Damascus steel sword.
 

Gunslinger08

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I think that opening up the world and major sites to travelers of all ages, incomes, and capabilities is a good thing. People shouldn't confine themselves to dull beach vacations every year - go out and learn about some history, art, architecture, culture, etc.

You can still find "real adventure" if you want to. Just because something is challenging doesn't make it "better" in everyone's eyes.
 

Dirigible

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If you think there are no adventures left, I can only conclude you're not very adventurous and have not looked off the beaten path.
 

roguerower

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A lot of places in Europe don't give a flying f*($ about safety. When I was visiting my folks in Germany we visited Frankenstein Castle in Eberstadt and there were no railing at the openings. I could lean out and look down 70 ft. Same thing goes for when my folks were in Italy. The ski mountains in Garmisch Germany have a run that connects the two sides of the mountain. One side is a rock wall, the other is an edge with a 200' fall. No barriers, no netting, only some signs.

You can have an adventure without climbing a huge mountain.
 

Muse

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I'm not a tourist. When I went to Hawaii I stayed for 2.5 years, Maui. I was proud of the fact that I got to know the inhabitants including making friends with locals. It actually kindled my sense of adventure and I wanted to build a sailboat and cruise the world's oceans. Doing that was an uphill battle, though. I'd still be there (or would have departed in my boat) but I guess it wasn't in the cards, so to speak.
 
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Newell Steamer

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I've:
- white water kayaked
- hiked various trails (jungle, mountain, glaciers & desert)
- biked on gravel roads (~25 miles a day for 3 days)
- caved (crawled through/over ice, snow, clay, dirt, rocks, bat shit)
- snorkled
- camped in the Grand Canyon (during off season,.. so no snakes and tarantulas,..)
- been bitten by bot flys

I don't think I'll ever rappel down a mountain. Or climb any mountains. I won't sky dive. And don't think I'll ever want to scuba.

Eitherway, I am not all about exclusive luxury hotels. I will gladly stay in one. But, I am OK with busting my ass (slammed against a rock during white water kayaking,.. after I fell out of the kayak) and killing the bot fly larva growing in my legs (covered the areas with duct tape to kill them).
 
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