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Aquila76

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: Modelworks
When activated the collider could show one of the most elusive particles in our Universe, the Higgs boson, also called the ?God particle?. This observation could confirm the Standard Model of physics unifying three of the four known fundamental forces: electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force, leaving out just gravity.

All that is fine. But can it cook hot pockets faster than my microwave ?
From the PDF:
At full energy, each of the two proton beams in the LHC will have a total energy equivalent to a 400 t train (like the French TGV) travelling at 150 km/h. This is enough energy to melt 500 kg of copper.

It'll cook your Hot Pockets and your microwave. :D

Now THAT would be breathtaking!
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: Aquila76
It would be better if Schrödinger's cat came flying out of it. Or maybe not.

Dead or alive?

Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
The rest of your post is just plain insulting.

My apologies. I didn't not mean to be insulting, but rather I wanted to point out that neither you, (nor I) are experts in particle physics. You listed your background, which imho, is enough to elevate you to a very respectable level of intelligence. And, as such an intelligent person, you should realize that the people to believe are the guys with PhD's in particle physics.

From an article:
Sancho and Wagner worry that millions of black holes might somehow persist and coalesce into a compact gravitational mass that would draw in other matter and grow bigger. That's pure science fiction, said Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist at the City College of New York.
What's good enough for Michio is good enough for me :laugh:

And, lastly, something I should have brought up much much earlier in the thread: the background of the asswipe who brought this suit against CERN, Walter Wagner (actually, he's one of two).

This is good enough that I'm just going to cut and paste a big chunk.
On Walter Wagner: "I am a nuclear physicist with extensive training in the field...." He has a B.S. in biological sciences with physics minor (1972), graduate degree in law (1978). "Worked extensively in cosmic radiation research" at UC Berkeley (1973). "Began employment as a federal nuclear safety officer" at the VA in 1979, is currently retired from federal employment. Taught high-school science and math after that retirement but is now retired from teaching as well.

As I mentioned in the article, Wagner has been involved with legal action against RHIC that went nowhere. Some years ago, I wrote about Wagner's campaign against uranium-glazed ceramics, and you might find that story interesting:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3077213/

Wagner also sent me an e-mail relating to the recent polonium-poisoning controversy:

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/
archive/2006/12/27/23008.aspx

I don't really know Sancho ... Wagner says Sancho is a Spanish citizen who is a permanent resident of the U.S. and lives in Hawaii. Here's some further info from his affidavit:

"I am a System Scientist specialized in Cosmology and Time Theory. I obtained my undergraduate degree at Barcelona University, Barcelona, Spain. I followed with my post-graduate studies at Columbia University, New York and developed a career as a Writer on scientific themes in Spain."

Based on the affidavit, I would characterize Sancho as a science writer. He does have a Web site called http://www.unificationtheory.com/ ... the material there looks like gobbledygook to me. To be fair, a highly technical paper from, say, Stephen Hawking might have a bit of what looks like gobbledygook to me as well.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxi...f/0803/0803.1663v1.pdf

However, I'm pretty sure Hawking would consider Sancho's work to be gobbledygook as well.

Sancho doesn't appear to have a high opinion of Hawking, either. In this forum, a poster who gave the name "Luis Sancho" calls Hawking a "ga-ga guy" and part of the "biggest terrorist team of human history":


 

DrPizza

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All you have to do is read through this article to realize that Wagner (the guy who started the lawsuit) is either a nut, or is simply attention seeking. Either way, it's obvious that just a little knowledge in the wrong hands sometimes can be a bad thing. here
 

RESmonkey

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
All you have to do is read through this article to realize that Wagner (the guy who started the lawsuit) is either a nut, or is simply attention seeking. Either way, it's obvious that just a little knowledge in the wrong hands sometimes can be a bad thing. here

It's a problem that we can't stop without violating freedoms: ignorance.
 

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
All you have to do is read through this article to realize that Wagner (the guy who started the lawsuit) is either a nut, or is simply attention seeking. Either way, it's obvious that just a little knowledge in the wrong hands sometimes can be a bad thing. here
Or is the front man for somebody/something else. I can't think of anything now but when you see odd stuff like this, you have to look for odd reasons.
 

Eeezee

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Technically we're only running a single beam through part of the pipe... we aren't going to have collisions for awhile

"Turning on" just means we start testing the beam pipe.

If the world is going to end by the LHC (it won't), then it will end after we start collisions.
 

GooeyGUI

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Originally posted by: DrPizza


Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
The rest of your post is just plain insulting.

My apologies. I didn't not mean to be insulting, but rather I wanted to point out that neither you, (nor I) are experts in particle physics. You listed your background, which imho, is enough to elevate you to a very respectable level of intelligence. And, as such an intelligent person, you should realize that the people to believe are the guys with PhD's in particle physics.

Thanks, I just saw it and took it literally. No problem. Thanks for looking into the lawsuits. It makes me feel better that there isn't more than a single person behind them. I would hate to think that stupidity of this level isn't as widespread as I thought it was.

 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Thanks, I just saw it and took it literally. No problem. Thanks for looking into the lawsuits. It makes me feel better that there isn't more than a single person behind them. I would hate to think that stupidity of this level isn't as widespread as I thought it was.
Unfortunately, the MSNBC article makes it look like he's actually initiated policy changes as a result.

 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Thanks, I just saw it and took it literally. No problem. Thanks for looking into the lawsuits. It makes me feel better that there isn't more than a single person behind them. I would hate to think that stupidity of this level isn't as widespread as I thought it was.
Unfortunately, the MSNBC article makes it look like he's actually initiated policy changes as a result.

Hopefully the "policy change" was only that they can now kick him in the face whenever they so choose.
 

Kadarin

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Welp... I'm still here. Unless, I'm really not here and this is just an alternate reality centered around that collider thing.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: Aquila76
It would be better if Schrödinger's cat came flying out of it. Or maybe not.

Dead or alive?

Dead in one reality, alive in the alternate reality that splits off.

Maybe the LHC did create a black hole that ended earth 1 and we're all here on earth 2 where it didn't create the black hole.
 

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: Aquila76
It would be better if Schrödinger's cat came flying out of it. Or maybe not.

Dead or alive?

Both, naturally.



I'm disappointed. Guess I'll go ahead and pay last months rent now that the world isn't over.
 

HaiBiss

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Originally posted by: Deeko
When scanning over topic titles, I thought the summary said "Large Hardon Collision".

I was concerned.

What kind of photo op were you wanting
 

HaiBiss

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Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Originally posted by: udneekgnim
from what I've read, any micro black hole that might be created will disappear practically instantaneously

I'm so glad you came along with your facts.....we all feel much better now ;)

I know that I can sleep better knowing there are people that know about things that we can't see, but because they are not there we think that there is something there. Oh wait that?s religion wrong post