Is the US political scene broken beyond repair?

thestain

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While Hollywood makes movies like wag the dog or Legally Blonde, red, white and blonde or we see funny movies that hint at the US being a Government of the people, by the people and for the people.. it just ain't so, is it? Why can't simple bills protecting and even increasing our freedoms and liberties be passed?

Why is it every 4 years or so when the Presidential elections take place we never seem to see the promises from years gone by put into law?

Anyone remember the political hoopla over taxpayer rights How Clinton or Bush or Feinstein or Boxer or whoever was going to come to the taxpayer aid and promote some rights in regard to the IRS or State tax collection efforts.. did you know that since IRS came into existence, in this land of the free, in a land you are supposed to be presumed innocent unless proven guilty,... the burden for ones tax position and proving it is soley with the taxpayer, not the IRS, not the various States.. A simple bill would solve this.. simply make it law that the IRS or any tax collecting agency must respect a US citizens rights and prove, not assume guilt or mistake, etc.. yet this has not taken place in some fifty years since it was first promised in some way by various Politicians on the Right and Left. Republicrats and Democlicans alike have claimed support for rights, yet done virtually nothing to protect them for far too long.

Or.. how about the Marriage tax.. wasn't it supposed to be done away with years ago..

Last time I checked.. if you want to contribute to an IRA as an example and you and or your spouse are covered by pension plan at work.. the amount where you can't make a contribution is not single amount times 2 is it.. and

How about Social Security benefits.. cries for reform.. need for better funding.. better use of proceeds from taxes for years and rather than help tax paying US citizens.. members of the country.. the we the peoples.. the Federal Government will be making payments to non US citizens and jeopardizing the whole system.. and check out what benefits Congress has for itself.. Total Government by the Government, for the Government and of the Government at the expense of the people seems to be how things are done today..

So.. anyone else notice how issues have once again been decided for us.. and how those that might make sense on some isssues like Ron Paul are already getting to be excluded from debates and from the Political process?

We need to get back to protecting Americans.. to protecting freedom and it just is not happening.

Thoughts?

 

MadRat

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You imply there is no healthy dialogue going on in America. I'm not ready to agree.
 

NoStateofMind

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The Constitutional Republic of America has been buried under the weight of corporations and politics. We may never see it again.
 

blackangst1

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Hardly. Do some travelling around the world...talk to the locals, talk to businesses then come back and report how bad our country is.

We're fat, appathetic, and lazy, yes. But broken? Hardly. Disagree? Take a look at our voting record as a country. No one votes!

People mistakenly think some new president will fix things. Why dont people understand the congress has more power than the prez? And who elects congress? The people. Who is responsible for keeping them in check? The people. And yet, election after election, the people continue to elect a congress who does the very things they bitch about.
 

RightIsWrong

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While I certainly think that it is broken and in need of repairs.....I will not concede defeat and give into the "all hope is lost" mindset.
 

jonks

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Mark Cuban on Realtime opined that challenging corporations, specifically taxing them more, will only result in layoffs b/c a corp duty is only to the bottom line and it's shareholders. So we have soulless conglomerates with the protection afforded citizens, and anytime someone attempts to challenge them they wave the flag of "well now look what you did, now we gotta fire people." Special interests and lobbyists are the cancer. It's not about protecting free speech, it's about making money integral to political life and campaigns. We have to get rid of the influx of millions in "donations." Your company wants to hire someone to try to convince a legislator of the worth of a bill? Go ahead, but the conversation cannot take place en route to a golfing retreat in palm springs. Some bills are written by the lobbyists and handed to politicians to introduce verbatim. Unacceptable.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
While I certainly think that it is broken and in need of repairs.....I will not concede defeat and give into the "all hope is lost" mindset.

:thumbsup:
 

Moonbeam

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It would change if people cared. You have the government you deserve. But if I told you you hate yourself had have the government you actually want, you wouldn't believe me. The wonderful thing about psychosis is that you get to stab yourself in your own back and not know it's you who did it.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It would change if people cared. You have the government you deserve. But if I told you you hate yourself had have the government you actually want, you wouldn't believe me. The wonderful thing about psychosis is that you get to stab yourself in your own back and not know it's you who did it.

You had me until you got to the hate mantra. Other than that, you're dead on.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It would change if people cared. You have the government you deserve. But if I told you you hate yourself had have the government you actually want, you wouldn't believe me. The wonderful thing about psychosis is that you get to stab yourself in your own back and not know it's you who did it.
It's nice when you can post without reference to self-hate, but I have to agree with this nonetheless.

The only America that approximates anything close to one of yesteryear would be the one that Ron Paul speaks of and it terrifies most people, hence his lack of support. I honestly don't even know if it would be good in these times anyway, but people are getting what they asked for. Everything in politics has come down to a shouting match with partisan bickering, the paragon of victory not being a good measure or law put in place but beating the other side, as if it was just a college football match. The politicians do it and they mirror us, because it's what we do, too.
 

Nemesis 1

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SS. I am on ss disability and I should be. The problems I am seeing are in people getting SS that shouldn't be.

One example is A man who lives near me. He has never ever Worked ever . He is Sick . But he is entitled to Supplamental SS . But he gets both . He has no right to disability SS.

Another example My brothers wife. She 2 is getting SSdisability. She is claiming to have a sickness that can't be proven . She looked up the symtoms and is faking them . Since it can't be proven she getts away with it . I have known her for 30 years . Their is nothing wrong with her . Never was . The problem with SS is the people running the system .

People who actually need disability SS have to go threw a long process to get it 3-4 years . Even when the SS doctors say they are disabled.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It would change if people cared. You have the government you deserve. But if I told you you hate yourself had have the government you actually want, you wouldn't believe me. The wonderful thing about psychosis is that you get to stab yourself in your own back and not know it's you who did it.

QFT
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It would change if people cared. You have the government you deserve. But if I told you you hate yourself had have the government you actually want, you wouldn't believe me. The wonderful thing about psychosis is that you get to stab yourself in your own back and not know it's you who did it.
It's nice when you can post without reference to self-hate, but I have to agree with this nonetheless.

The only America that approximates anything close to one of yesteryear would be the one that Ron Paul speaks of and it terrifies most people, hence his lack of support. I honestly don't even know if it would be good in these times anyway, but people are getting what they asked for. Everything in politics has come down to a shouting match with partisan bickering, the paragon of victory not being a good measure or law put in place but beating the other side, as if it was just a college football match. The politicians do it and they mirror us, because it's what we do, too.

I would prefer not to post about self hate, but unfortunately I think our survival as a species depends on us seeing it. You are, of course by your frankness, an example of why that won't be easy. Who wants to know this painful truth. Certainly not me. The theory, OK, but God please don't make me feel it. I'm like everybody else there.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It would change if people cared. You have the government you deserve. But if I told you you hate yourself had have the government you actually want, you wouldn't believe me. The wonderful thing about psychosis is that you get to stab yourself in your own back and not know it's you who did it.
It's nice when you can post without reference to self-hate, but I have to agree with this nonetheless.

The only America that approximates anything close to one of yesteryear would be the one that Ron Paul speaks of and it terrifies most people, hence his lack of support. I honestly don't even know if it would be good in these times anyway, but people are getting what they asked for. Everything in politics has come down to a shouting match with partisan bickering, the paragon of victory not being a good measure or law put in place but beating the other side, as if it was just a college football match. The politicians do it and they mirror us, because it's what we do, too.

I would prefer not to post about self hate, but unfortunately I think our survival as a species depends on us seeing it. You are, of course by your frankness, an example of why that won't be easy. Who wants to know this painful truth. Certainly not me. The theory, OK, but God please don't make me feel it. I'm like everybody else there.

I think sometimes you post "self hate" when "selfishness" or "self interest" is more accurate. They arent the same thing. But whatever.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: thestain
While Hollywood makes movies like wag the dog or Legally Blonde, red, white and blonde or we see funny movies that hint at the US being a Government of the people, by the people and for the people.. it just ain't so, is it? Why can't simple bills protecting and even increasing our freedoms and liberties be passed?

Why is it every 4 years or so when the Presidential elections take place we never seem to see the promises from years gone by put into law?

Anyone remember the political hoopla over taxpayer rights How Clinton or Bush or Feinstein or Boxer or whoever was going to come to the taxpayer aid and promote some rights in regard to the IRS or State tax collection efforts..

It was passed in 1996 under Clinton's term Linky

did you know that since IRS came into existence, in this land of the free, in a land you are supposed to be presumed innocent unless proven guilty,... the burden for ones tax position and proving it is soley with the taxpayer, not the IRS, not the various States.. A simple bill would solve this.. simply make it law that the IRS or any tax collecting agency must respect a US citizens rights and prove, not assume guilt or mistake, etc.. yet this has not taken place in some fifty years since it was first promised in some way by various Politicians on the Right and Left. Republicrats and Democlicans alike have claimed support for rights, yet done virtually nothing to protect them for far too long.

You have a ton of rights. If you're charged with any of sort of tax "crime", you ARE presumed innocent and the burden is upon the government.

If you wanna prove some amount as a deduction that the government is unaware of, you are simply required to keep a reciept, otherwise everyone would cheat like a mofo and the system wouldn't work. The IRS can't possibly be required to, say for example, prove that you did NOT contribute cash to a charity.


Or.. how about the Marriage tax.. wasn't it supposed to be done away with years ago..

It was, in 2001 Link


Last time I checked.. if you want to contribute to an IRA as an example and you and or your spouse are covered by pension plan at work.. the amount where you can't make a contribution is not single amount times 2 is it.. and

I really can't understand the above. I gather you percieve some inequity on these rules as regards married people, but I don't think any exists.

How about Social Security benefits.. cries for reform.. need for better funding.. better use of proceeds from taxes for years and rather than help tax paying US citizens.. members of the country.. the we the peoples.. the Federal Government will be making payments to non US citizens and jeopardizing the whole system.. Yes, medicaid is the problem, as far as SS, in this regard. and check out what benefits Congress has for itself IMO, Congress should NOT have their own plan etc. .. Total Government by the Government, for the Government and of the Government at the expense of the people seems to be how things are done today..

So.. anyone else notice how issues have once again been decided for us.. and how those that might make sense on some isssues like Ron Paul are already getting to be excluded from debates and from the Political process?

We need to get back to protecting Americans.. to protecting freedom and it just is not happening.

Thoughts?