Is the US headed twords Socialized Medicine?

[Schadenfroh]

 

[CADsortaGUY]

The people of America don't want it. They don't trust the gov't to provide it and manage it. The FEDs shouldn't be involved anyway.

CkG

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

We have the best medical care in the world. Why would we even think of changing it?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
We have the best medical care in the world. Why would we even think of changing it?

because the ignorant masses don't know that it's our market system that's made it that way.

 

[PingSpike]

I don't know if we are or not, if I had to hazard a guess I'd say its going to be awhile before it does if its going to happen. That said, I personally wish we would move to a european style health care system. We may have a good medical system, but a fair amount of people are uninsured and it seems like its grossly inefficient considering the waste of money on drug advertising. Lets face it, health care costs aren't exactly dropping...the government is corrupt but it doesn't seem like it could do a much worse job of it.

 

[ScottyB]

Hopefully.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
We have the best medical care in the world. Why would we even think of changing it?

Best Medical Care that only people in the RBC can use.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The people of America don't want it. They don't trust the gov't to provide it and manage it. The FEDs shouldn't be involved anyway.

CkG

Unless you speak for Millions of Americans shut out of being able to get Medical care because they are not in the RBC what gives you the right to speak for them???

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
We have the best medical care in the world. Why would we even think of changing it?

Best Medical Care that only people in the RBC can use.

 

[SuperTool]

It depends how well off the middle class is, and how high the prices will go. Also, will employers drop coverage or outsource to countries with socialized healthcare? If the number of those unable to afford insurance reaches critical mass, we may have a more socialized medical system, at least for basic services. Price-caps and regulation are another possibility.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It depends how well off the middle class is, and how high the prices will go. Also, will employers drop coverage or outsource to countries with socialized healthcare? If the number of those unable to afford insurance reaches critical mass, we may have a more socialized medical system, at least for basic services. Price-caps and regulation are another possibility.

1. Job projections for Spring are ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2. Productivity is up so there's some bending room to negotiate for medical
3. The insurance industry is is DIRE need of revamping. There is so much fraud and waste and litigation that there's no way for anything tied to insurance, like the medical industry, to be run affordably. But as soon as Republicans suggest capping damage settlements, the libbies go into a very public frenzy about how the right is pandering to big business. Guess what, geniuses, you can't have it both ways.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It depends how well off the middle class is, and how high the prices will go. Also, will employers drop coverage or outsource to countries with socialized healthcare? If the number of those unable to afford insurance reaches critical mass, we may have a more socialized medical system, at least for basic services. Price-caps and regulation are another possibility.

1. Job projections for Spring are ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2. Productivity is up so there's some bending room to negotiate for medical
3. The insurance industry is is DIRE need of revamping. There is so much fraud and waste and litigation that there's no way for anything tied to insurance, like the medical industry, to be run affordably. But as soon as Republicans suggest capping damage settlements, the libbies go into a very public frenzy about how the right is pandering to big business. Guess what, geniuses, you can't have it both ways.

john "foragainst" kerry can have it both ways - why shouldn't they?


CkG

 

[bozack]

well if it does you can expect two things, first the overall quality of healthcare will take a dramatic drop as it just will not be funded as well as it is now, it will be subject to budgeting and such which will hurt the overall quality...

and 2. less people will be eager to enter the medical profession due to lower pay, sure some will say we are better off as one should be personally not financially motivated to enter into the HCI but facts are facts and the quality of physicians will most likley decline with a move to socialized HC

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bozack
well if it does you can expect two things, first the overall quality of healthcare will take a dramatic drop as it just will not be funded as well as it is now, it will be subject to budgeting and such which will hurt the overall quality...

and 2. less people will be eager to enter the medical profession due to lower pay, sure some will say we are better off as one should be personally not financially motivated to enter into the HCI but facts are facts and the quality of physicians will most likley decline with a move to socialized HC

Well we could always outsource Doctors. Kaiser has been doing that for years

 

[heartsurgeon]

i'm a democrat on this one,
give me socialized medicine RIGHT NOW!
i want goverment benefits with built in COLAS, i want relief from malpractice lawyers, i want humane working hours, and i want to be able to tell troublesome patients to go to the back of the line and wait their turn.

yehaw!!!

sign me up..i'll vote for kerry tomorrow if he promises me a goverment job and a pension

screw the rest of you

Oh, by the way, i'll still be in the RBC (family money helps)

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It depends how well off the middle class is, and how high the prices will go. Also, will employers drop coverage or outsource to countries with socialized healthcare? If the number of those unable to afford insurance reaches critical mass, we may have a more socialized medical system, at least for basic services. Price-caps and regulation are another possibility.

1. Job projections for Spring are ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2. Productivity is up so there's some bending room to negotiate for medical
3. The insurance industry is is DIRE need of revamping. There is so much fraud and waste and litigation that there's no way for anything tied to insurance, like the medical industry, to be run affordably. But as soon as Republicans suggest capping damage settlements, the libbies go into a very public frenzy about how the right is pandering to big business. Guess what, geniuses, you can't have it both ways.

The reason why people complain about capping damage is because that has to be the stupidest why to fix the court system. What happens when a docotor messes up and it leaves you half dead for the next 20 years do you really think that 150k dollars will take care of you?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It depends how well off the middle class is, and how high the prices will go. Also, will employers drop coverage or outsource to countries with socialized healthcare? If the number of those unable to afford insurance reaches critical mass, we may have a more socialized medical system, at least for basic services. Price-caps and regulation are another possibility.

1. Job projections for Spring are ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2. Productivity is up so there's some bending room to negotiate for medical
3. The insurance industry is is DIRE need of revamping. There is so much fraud and waste and litigation that there's no way for anything tied to insurance, like the medical industry, to be run affordably. But as soon as Republicans suggest capping damage settlements, the libbies go into a very public frenzy about how the right is pandering to big business. Guess what, geniuses, you can't have it both ways.

The reason why people complain about capping damage is because that has to be the stupidest why to fix the court system. What happens when a docotor messes up and it leaves you half dead for the next 20 years do you really think that 150k dollars will take care of you?

Stop embarassing yourself. The proposed caps are for pain and suffering type damages...not for material damages which would include care etc.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It depends how well off the middle class is, and how high the prices will go. Also, will employers drop coverage or outsource to countries with socialized healthcare? If the number of those unable to afford insurance reaches critical mass, we may have a more socialized medical system, at least for basic services. Price-caps and regulation are another possibility.

1. Job projections for Spring are ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2. Productivity is up so there's some bending room to negotiate for medical
3. The insurance industry is is DIRE need of revamping. There is so much fraud and waste and litigation that there's no way for anything tied to insurance, like the medical industry, to be run affordably. But as soon as Republicans suggest capping damage settlements, the libbies go into a very public frenzy about how the right is pandering to big business. Guess what, geniuses, you can't have it both ways.

The reason why people complain about capping damage is because that has to be the stupidest why to fix the court system. What happens when a docotor messes up and it leaves you half dead for the next 20 years do you really think that 150k dollars will take care of you?

Stop embarassing yourself. The proposed caps are for pain and suffering type damages...not for material damages which would include care etc.

Why should a docotor not be responisble for the full amount of pain and suffering infelcted on a person? Assume the docotor was negligent in the case. Would you let some one inflecting as mush pain to your body assuming they covered all other cost as they wished for 150K? I knew I sure ass hell wouldn't so then why should that be the cap on the pain and suffering.

 

[0roo0roo]

no, people will just buy all their drugs from canada

 

[SuperTool]

It's more trickle down BS from rightwingers. If only we made corporations and doctors immune from lawsuits, give them tax breaks etc, they would run out and create jobs and make healthcare affordable? Why wouldn't they just pocket the money?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's more trickle down BS from rightwingers. If only we made corporations and doctors immune from lawsuits, give them tax breaks etc, they would run out and create jobs and make healthcare affordable? Why wouldn't they just pocket the money?

Fine. Just stop bitching about the cost of health insurance, k?

 

[heartsurgeon]

It's more trickle down BS from rightwingers. If only we made corporations and doctors immune from lawsuits, give them tax breaks etc, they would run out and create jobs and make healthcare affordable? Why wouldn't they just pocket the money?

your completely right!! the $61,000 a year i pay in malpractice premiums help pay for college tuition for lawyers and insurance executives. i would never spend that money otherwise on updating my office software or computers, or hiring a nurse practitioner so i could offer more services to my patients. heck, that $61,000 is cheap! Take all my money! God knows the tort lawyers need it (Poor John Edwards is unemployed next year! he needs help).

God Bless and save all of you that believe that lawyers make your health care more affordable and better. Cause that's all your goning to have left to help you.
Neurosurgeons pay $300,000 year in N.Y. for malpractice insurance. Does anyone believe that is sane?

Malpractice insurance in Pennsylvania is costing a surgeon friend of mine more than he makes!! And he's never been sued! He's leaving Pennsylvania....

Me, i want socialized medicine NOW...no more malpractice claims, vacation time, COLAS, benefits...SIGN ME UP..
by the way, have you ever been to a VA medical center? that's true goverment run medicine. you can get great care in a VA system, but you can't sue them, you wait your turn, if you cause trouble, there's lots of ways to make your "wait" longer, you don't have any choice in anything. Exactly like dealing with the Post Office. Wait in line, be grateful when it works, to bad when it doesn't.

yep, sign me up suckers!!!
you'll hear a collective scream from the tort lawyers when this happens, they've been suckling from the malpractice teat for quite a while now

 

[Spencer278]

I think doctors should just stop messing up so much.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
I think doctors should just stop messing up so much.

How insightful. Yes, doctors need to be replaced by robots. Of course, then we'll sue the doctor-robot programmers.

 

[amok]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's more trickle down BS from rightwingers. If only we made corporations and doctors immune from lawsuits, give them tax breaks etc, they would run out and create jobs and make healthcare affordable? Why wouldn't they just pocket the money?

Because, nowdays, its exceedingly difficult for anyone with substantial wealth to simply pocket money . It has to go somewhere, unless you are a fan of using it for insulation in your walls (i doubt it would make a very comfortable substitute for mattress stuffing).

I'm not a big fan of trickle-down economics. I feel that there is probably a better way to achieve strong economic growth thats more beneficial to the middle class and lower upper class. At the same time, though, I don't feel that 'voodoo economics' are entirely bogus in nature. It will feed growth, its just growth oriented in a direction that I'm not as comfortable with.