Is the Samsung Syncmaster 900 NF as good as the Sony G400? IMPORTANT. Please help. Is my 900 Nf defective?

[nx02nx02]

Well heres the deal.
I just built a new computer and bought a new Samsung Syncmaster 900 NF to go with it.

The monitor on my old computer is a Sony Trinitron 19" G400.

Now I have heard a lot of people speak very highly of the 900 NF that's why I bought it.

Now I have my old computer with the Sony G400 in the computer room and the new one with the 900 NF also in the computer room.

Heres my problem, my Sony G400 absolutely blows the 900 Nf out of the water in terms of color, the Sony G400 color is just so much more deep and vivid and defined than the 900 NF.

Is my 900 NF defective? Arent these two monitors comparable to eachother?

I have compared severel different pictures, games, 3dmard2001SE etc. And the trinitron is 10X better in terms of color.
I have tried every adjustment on the 900NF to get the colors up to my sony standards but it falls short.

So is the Sony known to be superior color wise or is my 900 NF defective.

I know my new computer is not at fault because I have hooked up my old one to the 900 NF and it does the same thing.

I am in no way trying to make the 900 NF look bad, I just want mine fixed.
Any help is appreciated.

 

[Biggs]

First of all, care to share what video card, resolution, refresh rate, color depth, etc. that each computer uses? Cheers.

 

[nx02nx02]

The old computer uses a Nvidia Geforce 2 Ti 1024 x 768 32 bit color 100 hz refreshrate

The new computer uses a Nvidia Geforce 3 TI 200 1024 x 768 32 bit color 100 hz refreshrate

But like I said, I have hooked up both computers to both monitors with the same effect.

The old computer displays good color on the Sony G400 but no good on the 900 NF
Same with the new computer.

 

[jaeger66]

It's really quite simple. Sony's CRT display quality is second to none. Anything else is a comprimise.

 

[nx02nx02]

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[tbates757]

Originally posted by: jaeger66
It's really quite simple. Sony's CRT display quality is second to none. Anything else is a comprimise.

I agree, a Samsung 900NF does not equal a Sony G400.

 

[nx02nx02]

I know but it isnt just a little difference.
the difference is absolutely dramatic.

What looks like deep red on my Sony looks light red on the 900 NF.

And what looks like deep green on the Sony Is almost yellow on the 900 NF.
It almost seems like im missing some adjustment on the 900 NF. Is there a color depth adjustment?
Ive already tried adjusting the temperature and the rgb and the brightness and contrast. But
how do I adjust the depth of the color?

 

[yhelothar]

depth of color is the contrast.. just turn that 100%.. and turn down the brightness..

 

[Alptraum]

I think you can get the Samsung to look better by messing with the settings more. But I wouldn't expect it to look nearly as good as the Sony. In my experience pretty much all monitors are inferior to Mitsubishi, Sony and Eizo. I used to rank Iiyama up there too but I haev been less a fan of them lately. But in general stuff made by those 1st 3 will be much better then anything else. Even the stuff that uses the tubes by them.

 

[goog]

Originally posted by: Alptraum
I think you can get the Samsung to look better by messing with the settings more. But I wouldn't expect it to look nearly as good as the Sony. In my experience pretty much all monitors are inferior to Mitsubishi, Sony and Eizo. I used to rank Iiyama up there too but I haev been less a fan of them lately. But in general stuff made by those 1st 3 will be much better then anything else. Even the stuff that uses the tubes by them.

"The monitor uses a flat Mitsubishi DiamondTron aperture grille tube with a .25 mm horizontal stripe pitch." from cnet.com

 

[Alptraum]

"The monitor uses a flat Mitsubishi DiamondTron aperture grille tube with a .25 mm horizontal stripe pitch." from cnet.com


Are you talking about the Samsung? I know that many companies including them use Trinitron or Diamond Tron tubes for their monitors. What I was saying though was that it doesnt matter that much. The 3 companies I listed (Sony, Mitsu, Eizo) have superior monitors. Just because Sony or Mitsu makes the tube does not mean its the same tube they use in their products, nor does it mean that the other company (Samsung in this case) uses other components of the same quality that those 3 do. Just within the Sony brand you can get a 21" for around $500 or $600 or the same size for $1700. They both use Trinitrons. Doesnt mean they are the same level of quality.

 

[jaeger66]

Sony and Mitsubishi keep the good tubes for themselves and sell the inferior ones to companies like Samsung and KDS.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: jaeger66
Sony and Mitsubishi keep the good tubes for themselves and sell the inferior ones to companies like Samsung and KDS.

Are you sure about that? I thought Sony licensed the Trinitron technology to other companies and let them manf their own monitors.

BTW - I have a Sony G400 and I love it. My next monitor will be a 21" Sony Trinitron of some flavor.

 

[bigpow]

Not related but probably could serve as an FYI

*whine started*
Just bought a new 22" CRT NEC FE1250+

I hate it!

It's good and sharp on the corners, but very bad focus on the middle (especially bottom middle).

I like my old Samsung 17" 753DF a lot better!

I'm planning to return this monitor for Samsung 1200NF or maybe Sony G520P

What a waste of time!
*end of whine*

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: jaeger66
Sony and Mitsubishi keep the good tubes for themselves and sell the inferior ones to companies like Samsung and KDS.

Are you sure about that? I thought Sony licensed the Trinitron technology to other companies and let them manf their own monitors.

Sometimes. Basically, any technology with the word "Tron" in it is licensed from Sony. Some companies make their own tubes, but more just buy them.

 

[Alptraum]

Are you sure about that? I thought Sony licensed the Trinitron technology to other companies and let them manf their own monitors.

I think you are right. While some may buy tubes from Sony I am not sure that any really do. I know the majority if not all of them license the tech and make their own.

 

[nx02nx02]

The thing that I just dont get is, alot of people say that the Diamondtron Tube is not inferior to the Trinitron tube but it looks like it is.
Unless you are correct about the other companies like KDS and Samsung not actually using the same exact Trinitron and DiamondTron tubes as Sony and Mitsubishi uses, but they use inferior tubes.

Also can anyone provide a list or link of all the monitor companies that use the Trinitron and DiamondTron tubes and which monitors have them?

Thanks for the replies.

 

[Alptraum]

The thing that I just dont get is, alot of people say that the Diamondtron Tube is not inferior to the Trinitron tube but it looks like it is.
Unless you are correct about the other companies like KDS and Samsung not actually using the same exact Trinitron and DiamondTron tubes as Sony and Mitsubishi uses, but they use inferior tubes.

Also can anyone provide a list or link of all the monitor companies that use the Trinitron and DiamondTron tubes and which monitors have them?

Thats why I usually ignore wether a monitor maker advertises something as having a Diamond Tron or Trinitron tube. They may have it but I have seen major quality differences between some that use the "same" tube. KDS looks like total junk to me for instance.

The two times I have done serious comparisions between Sony and Mitsubishi, Mitsubishi won both times. Not be a super huge amount, but they definetly looked better to me, and they are what I ended up buying. The first time was a few years ago between 19" ones, the Mitsubishi 900u and whatever Sony's top of the line 19" was at the time. More recently it was between the 21" Mitsubishi 2060u and the 21" Sony CPD-G520. While the Sony's were nice, they were not as nice as the Mitsubishi's. There are a number of reviews out there that arrive at the same conclusion.

I wish I could give you a site that listed all that bu I don't know of one, though I wouldn't be surprised if there was one out there.

 

[Gosharkss]

Originally posted by: mx1mx1
The thing that I just dont get is, alot of people say that the Diamondtron Tube is not inferior to the Trinitron tube but it looks like it is.
Unless you are correct about the other companies like KDS and Samsung not actually using the same exact Trinitron and DiamondTron tubes as Sony and Mitsubishi uses, but they use inferior tubes.

Also can anyone provide a list or link of all the monitor companies that use the Trinitron and DiamondTron tubes and which monitors have them?

Thanks for the replies.

The CRT is only one part of the monitor. A good CRT mated with poor electronics will look worse than an average CRT driven by good electronics.

The thing you need to remember about monitors is that unlike many electronic devices, monitor assembly and alignment is mostly a manual process. Since humans do most of the aligning, variation is inevitable. For example: The training of the operator adjusting convergence varies person to person. This explains why you see variation even in the same model.

 

[jaeger66]

I used to think Mitsubishi tubes were as good, but not lately. I will say one thing though, their support is great. When my Diamond Plus 71 broke a few years ago, they cross shipped a new one in 2 days and paid shipping both ways. Sadly, they replaced it with the vastly inferior Diamond Plus 73. They may not do that since the NEC merger, but it was very nice not to have to lug a 50 pound monitor to a UPS counter and pay $40 to send it back.