Should probably add in that the concept of angels as cheeky little beings came into being about 1500 years after Jesus lived. "Angel" was a titular term referring to certain titles of Jewish high priests.
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I wonder why you are trying to change the subject. The topic of discussion here was the fair weather nature of Peter's friendship to Jesus. And then there was this silly comment made by you:
"I doubt you would watch your best friend be crucified. I guarantee you'd miss it if you knew getting caught there would end up with you being crucified with him."
I certainly would not slink away from a friend's crucifiction merely to avoid being crucified myself. Life is not that precious, and some things are worth more than life. Self-respect, for example. I'd take the noble death standing up for my friend. Or I would give my friend some company by dying with him. I take it from your comment that you would indeed slink away in the night, in order to save your own precious skin, leaving your "friend" to die that horrendous, drawn out death alone on the cross? Why am I not surprised?
Yes, the typical response in complete isolation from any threat. "I would have balls, no question. I would gladly die to accomplish nothing." This is typical of those who feign lofty ideals but are not grounded in reality.
Unsurprising response from someone who is apparently a coward and does not know the meaning of friendship or loyalty.
I have put myself in physical danger, in order to assist a person close to me, and that behavior has nothing to do with "balls" or testosterone. It's about doing what is right. As opposed to doing what is wrong, i.e., slinking away in the night like a coward, leaving one's "friend" to be crucified.
I don't consider keeping someone company as they are dying "accomplishing nothing". Particularly if that person is a friend. You must not know the meaning of friendship. Furthermore, there would be the opportunity to speak against the injustice to the crowd or guards or whatever. That also is not "accomplishing nothing".
I have placed myself in dangerous circumstances, in the past, without concern for my own safety, I know what that feeling is like, and I would do it again under certain circumstances. What's interesting to me is the way you dismiss or ridicule something you yourself are apparently not capable of -- i.e., an act of selflessness in service of something more important than your own pathetic existence.
I wonder again why you are trying to change the subject. The topic of discussion here was the fair weather nature of Peter's friendship to Jesus. And this silly comment made by you:
"I doubt you would watch your best friend be crucified. I guarantee you'd miss it if you knew getting caught there would end up with you being crucified with him."
For some reason you seem to think you know how everyone would behave in such a situation. Actually, your comment above is merely indicative of how YOU would behave. A reminder - not everyone is as cowardly and selfish as you apparently are.
Hmmm, technically it is.
The document exists to serve the people not the other way around.
Therefore Government does not control the bodies of the people.
If you can prove the people "Serve" the Constitution therefore the Government itself (taking John Kennedy's saying of what you can do for your Country to the extreme and making what you MUST do for The Country, in this case must carry child under all circumstances) then Government owns the bodies of the people and not just the land.
I in no way claimed I knew the response of everyone in these situations. I simply stated that such behavior would not be atypical. Fair play to you if you want to cast away your life for nothing. Myself, I would prefer to honor my friend by keeping my life for something useful. If I could save him by sacrificing myself I would in a heartbeat, but in the situation we're discussing, this is not the case. Heaping life lost on top of life lost simply to claim courage is foolishness, not bravery.
You did EXACTLY that. Here is what you said:
"I doubt you would watch your best friend be crucified. I guarantee you'd miss it if you knew getting caught there would end up with you being crucified with him."
I.e., you guarantee I would behave in the way you say I would, under the given circumstances. That is merely another way of saying you know the response of everyone in this situation.
You did not state any such thing. You *guaranteed* that I (and anyone else reading the post) would respond in a certain way.
You outlined circumstances where one would be crucified IF caught. However being captured was merely a risk and by no means guaranteed in this scenario. (Here are your exact words: "I doubt you would watch your best friend be crucified. I guarantee you'd miss it if you knew getting caught there would end up with you being crucified with him.) I would risk capture, to see what I could do to save a dear friend. Or simply to keep a friend company as he or she dies. You apparently lack that sense of loyalty in your friendships or relationships. You would simply walk away as your best friend (your wife, for example) is slowly crucified. Guess these are your christian values shining through. :disgust:
I guarantee that if you tried to kidnap a high-risk prisoner from the Romans, they would catch you. Killing is what they did, and they were exceedingly good at it. If you tried to stop them, they would be more than happy to do you as well. They had no problem lining the Appian Way with crosses for hundreds of miles after the great slave revolt detailed in Spartacus, for example. In other words, attempting to interfere with the Roman national pasttime is its own guarantee of a death sentence.
As for my Christian ideals, I hardly need a lecture from you. As I said, I'd gladly lay down my life for a friend if it could save him.
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No, but it mentions the Church. The Church is the body of believers. This was a universal church, not any number of denomations. It was a "catholic" church, which means universal. As time went on, the Catholic Church as we know it developed from the original concept.
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Cool, I made sig material :thumbsup:
Now if they would just beam me out of this hell hole would be very
Where would you rather go?
So I'm Googling my question (why isn't the Pope the head of all Christians?) and this is the second result that shows up...I haven't been here in six months--time to say hello! However, I think it's pretty awesome that AT forums showed up in my search results lol.
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Catholic doctrine allows for changes in the understanding of revelation over time.
It is a neat piece rationalization to be sure but just plain handy at times. In practice, the Catholic Church believes that revelation continues as reflected in the history of the Church. It is a continuation of the Catholic concept of the bible as revealing god through the history of the Hebrew people.
As it relates to this thread, the Church has had a pope for 1600+ years so it is reasonable to conclude that having a pope is in God's Plan®.
It is a neat piece rationalization to be sure but just plain handy at times. In practice, the Catholic Church believes that revelation continues as reflected in the history of the Church. It is a continuation of the Catholic concept of the bible as revealing god through the history of the Hebrew people.
As it relates to this thread, the Church has had a pope for 1600+ years so it is reasonable to conclude that having a pope is in God's Plan®.
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