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Is the P!!! or Celeron-2 destined to relive a K6-III tragedy?

MadRat

MadRat

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We had the K6-2 and K6-III released about the same time. The K6-III was alot more expensive to make but certainly outperformed the K6-2. Neither had the life expectancy of its Intel counterpart, the Slot-1 P!!!. A newer version P!!! on the 133fsb was looming on the horizon, making both chips even worse by comparison. After a short while it became nonsensical for AMD to fab the K6-III when the K6-2 was selling so much better at a significant profitability.

We currently have the FC-PGA Celeron and P!!! in the same boat. The P!!! is the better performer (although they are identical chips) and can command far more in price. Neither has the life expectancy of their AMD counterpart, the Socket-A Athlon-Thunderbird. A newer version Athlon-Thunderbird on the 133fsb (quasi-266fsb) is looming on the horizon, making both appear obsolete in comparison. (Heck, even the Athlon-Duron is a better deal than a P!!! right now!) It is becoming nonsensical for Intel to fab both the FC-PGA P!!! and Celeron.

It is nonsensical to make both versions, and little justification to continue the P!!! line altogether. The P4 is finally showing its wings, able to ramp up to speeds that finally create a gap between P!!!-1gHz performance and the P4-family. With P4-XP on the near horizon Intel can finally can the P!!!-Xeon once and for all.

Which version will they cut, the Celeron or the P!!!?

I am guessing the P!!! to create an artificial gap between P!!!-family and P4-family.
 
The Celeron will stay to remain the "low cost" alternative.
 
It will be interesting to see how they eventually replace the Celeron line. Seems to be that it would eventually be based on the P4 core, as the current Celeron is based on the PIII. If they remain true to past form, they will have the P4 and some type of P4 based 'Celeron'. The PIII line should disappear entirely. Somewhere in the line the Tutalin(sp?) which s/b a 0.13 PIII factors into this though ... Perhaps it will be the next 'Celeron'.
 
IMHO, Intel will push the .13µ P3 line as the "value" CPU and somehow cripple it to make it slower than the P4 at the same clock speed.

There is also a possibility that Intel will bring the name "Celeron" for Tualatin, just for the sake of emphasizing the fact that P4 is the mainstream CPU.

Tualatin is very likely to be the mainstream successor of the mobile P3 Coppermine. Maybe Intel will continue a Tualatin-based Celeron line with crippled cache or FSB.

As far as the 133 MHz FSB P3 goes, I personally prefer 100 MHz FSB P3 on BX. 🙂 And for Athlons, it doesn't make a dramatic different for me to replace my KT133 with a KT133A and OC to, or buy an Athlon at, 133 MHz FSB.

My 2¢.
 
Celeron means budget now, so they will stick with it I think
PII, PIII, PIV means high end...so I think the PIII will go away before the Celeron..who knows though..
 
Eventually, the P3 will be phased-out in favor of the P4.

In time, the Celeron will gradually (but most surely) inherit all the traits of the P3 (ie. Celeron=P3).
 
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