Is the GF4 ti 4400 already be phased out of the GF4 ti series lineup ? Curious because seems like newegg has none.

[WyteWatt]

Also if the GF4 ti 4400 is being phased out as we speak or if it has already been phased out is this a good thing if i ever sell my Leadtek GF4 ti 4400 my vivo edition retail video card?

 

[onelin]

as far as I know it shouldn't be...it'd be stupid, since IMHO it's the best value in the GF4 Ti lineup...though a lot would argue overclocking a 4200 is the best value. Maybe there's just high demand or they're having stocking issues? my one issue with newegg is sometimes finding things in stock... I had to buy a lot of the components from my last system upgrade elsewhere. I mean, they didn't even have arctic silver in stock.

 

[WyteWatt]

onelin0 yep i would say the GF4 ti 4400 is the best value espically if you want GF4 ti 4600 speeds at least! But then again a GF4 ti 4200 is a good buy because you can overclock it and get very close to GF4 ti 4600 speeds but not exactly. But then again you do get GF4 ti 4400 speeds at least i believe. Sometimes more. onelin0 yeah Newegg is very good but sense its so good and everything lots of people go there to order stuff. So i guess in a way thats a bad thing when you try to get things because sometimes they go out of stock fast but i guess oh well. There is always waiting for it to become back in stock. I know what you mean btw with things being out of stock. Espically with the video cards sometimes. I do like Newegg like better than any bestbuy , compusa or anything thats for sure. Even if it does take 1 to 3 days to get the item.

 

[AnAndAustin]

IMHO it is just the way the market has gone, it isn't that 4400 are phasing out but that demand for 4400 is becoming very poor. With 4200 offering very near 4400 perf, even surpassing it 90%+ of the time when o/c'ed added to the fact that 4600 prices are dipping partly due to Rad9700 it is really squeezing 4400 in to No-Man's Land. 4400 is still a great card, but 4200 even at stock is not far nehind in perf and a fair bit cheaper to boot. For those with deeper pockets the 'Special' BGA 4200 cards exceed everything the 4400 does often o/c'ing beyond 4600 speeds! Plus the 4600 cards have really come down in price.

 

[WyteWatt]

AnAndAustin you know what the GF4 ti 4400 just about always overclocks to at least GF4 ti 4600 speeds (300/650) The GF4 ti 4200 can not do 300/650. If it does its very rare. The point is if you want GF4 ti 4600 speeds by buying a cheaper card and knowing it will give you at least that its better to buy the GF4 ti 4400. Sometimes it overclocks even better.

 

[klah]

I think a lot of the new "premium" 4200 cards are cannibalizing the market for the 4400. Albatron has the Ti4200 P turbo with 3.3ns BGA ram on an 8-layer PCB. Asus has their V8420 Deluxe Ti4200 with BGA ram and comes clocked at 260/550 (Hard oc'd it to 310/640). And Ti4600 prices are now down to $225. I think Austin summed it up well, the 4400 has simply been squeezed out of the market.

edit: I forgot to mention that the asus board uses 3.3ns memory also.

 

[AnAndAustin]

Yup, there's the Suma 4200-128MB Special Edition too, again using the longer PCB design and 3.3ns RAM, plus this thing is known to o/c as well as a 4600 to 300/700, far beyond any 4400 card I've ever heard of.

4400 are great cards but as klah said they're simply being squeezed out of the market. 4200 cards often reach 300/550 (128MB) and 300/600 (64MB) and are a fair bit cheaper too. Then there's the 'Special 3.3ns BGA RAM 4200' cards which although about the same price as the cheapest 4400 these enhanced 4200 cards tend to perf better, esp o/c'ing ... but I do point out to people that a 4400 will sell on much better when the time comes. Then of course there are the 4600 cards which have significantly reduced in price mostly due to the highly superior Rad9700pro which itself is ever decreasing in price.

It seems as though those on a small budget or with a slower CPU want a bargain GF3 or Rad8500, those with a slightly bigger budget or faster CPU want a standard 4200, those with a little more cash want an enhanced 4200 or plump for the 4600 while the blessed go for Rad9700pro as the top performer. IMHO the 4400 is still a great card and in most cases preferable to a Special 4200, but this market is changing so rapidly I think many retailers are worried about getting stuck with 4400 in the same way many were with GF3 cards just before GF4TI cards became available.

 

[WyteWatt]

AnAndAustin and how many GF4 ti 4200 with 3.3 ns RAM special editions overclock to at least 300/650 or higher? 60% ? 80% ? 90% ? Lower? Just asking for a guess.

 

[AnAndAustin]

Well the 2 I've heard most about are the following;

1. Asus 4200-128MB Deluxe, default clocks 260/550, o/c 300/640. I'd expect that to be a minimum for this card, 3.3ns BGA should go higher.
2. Suma 4200-128MB Special Edition, IIRC default clocks about 260/550, o/c 300/700. Since they don't seem to sell these in the West I haven't heard much about them.

So to answer your question, it depenmds upon the precise implimentation and as with any o/c'ing the luck of the card to get the top o/c, but about 300/650 should be doable with at least 95% of 4200 cards using 3.3ns BGA.

As I mentioned 4400 cards can be had for about the same money as the 3.3ns BGA 4200 cards, they come with 275/550 defaults and o/c to around 300/650 and have the added benefit of selling on better when the time comes too.