Specifically, should tear gas be allowed? Currently it isn't. Seems dumb!
Are al-Qaeda prisoners an exception?
Are al-Qaeda prisoners an exception?
Is The Geneva Convention Antiquated? Should There Be Exceptions?
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It's insane that it's a worldwide accepted practice to use tear gas in crowd control, but used as a method of preventing casualties in war it is banned because of "slippery slope" fears. Ridiculous.
<< Mr Rumsfeld told reporters that the war against terrorism required a new way of thinking and new concepts. >>
AKA We don't want to have to treat them by Geneva Convention. We want to be able to torture them and/or transport them to countries where we know they will be tortured. Woohoo for American elitism...
AKA We don't want to have to treat them by Geneva Convention. We want to be able to torture them and/or transport them to countries where we know they will be tortured. Woohoo for American elitism...
al-queda = not military
In my opinion, if they wouldn't give our boys Geneva Convention rights, we shouldn't give it to them
In my opinion, if they wouldn't give our boys Geneva Convention rights, we shouldn't give it to them
No exceptions, unless there is a new treaty drafted and then signed.
Tear gas and other crowd control chemicals are allowed ... for "personal use" as in for a country to use in its own country. By allowing their use in a war would open up a gray area for chemical weapons used in war. Take for example the chemical the Russians used in the theater hostage situation, that is classified as a crowd control chemical, a very dangerous gray area.
Tear gas and other crowd control chemicals are allowed ... for "personal use" as in for a country to use in its own country. By allowing their use in a war would open up a gray area for chemical weapons used in war. Take for example the chemical the Russians used in the theater hostage situation, that is classified as a crowd control chemical, a very dangerous gray area.
...if they wouldn't give our boys Geneva Convention rights...
Duh, why didn't I think of that? You just can't punch holes in that logic!
Duh, why didn't I think of that? You just can't punch holes in that logic!
Tear gas is a general name for a number of different agents with different toxicities and permanent aftereffects.
Oh, I'm sorry, I'll start one about shaking it, or some such other tripe.Originally posted by: Syringer
Shouldn't an ELITE MEMBER know better than to make a NEW thread about this stuff?
there are/were (we dont have a clue realy) plenty of Taliban there, which are a part of Afghanistan former military,
if that mentality were to be put in the local law enforcement then it would not be ruled by any laws, and the laws they were protecting would become useless
Perhaps the convention is antiquated, however, the way that Rummy and the rest of the cracksquad are going about circumventing it (by simply not giving POW status to Guantanamo prisoners) is the WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG way to do it.
When America sets its standards like this, can we really take the moral highground when it comes to Chinese, Libyan, Iraqi torture and human rights violation? Nope.
When America sets its standards like this, can we really take the moral highground when it comes to Chinese, Libyan, Iraqi torture and human rights violation? Nope.
"By allowing their use in a war would open up a gray area for chemical weapons used in war."
That is exactly what I heard, but damnit, this is a new age! We can specify specific agents, dilutions etc. I think it's getting stupid, not gray.
That is exactly what I heard, but damnit, this is a new age! We can specify specific agents, dilutions etc. I think it's getting stupid, not gray.
...can we really take the moral highground?
Yep, yep yep. Our record speaks for itself. The 9-11 attack set the new standard, not us.
Yep, yep yep. Our record speaks for itself. The 9-11 attack set the new standard, not us.
the same kind of argument used to make you think smoking pot will make you kill babies. the fear by some parties, apparently, is that the use of non-lethal "tear gas" will lead to an acceptance of lethal "tear gas" or chemical agents a la WWI.
Our record? Of denial of POW status in order to take part in grey areas of legality? Or our detainment of suspected terrorists indefinitely and without charge? Or our support of/alliance with countries with very dubious human rights records? Hmm...
not that syria presiding over the UN human rights commision is any better (or for that matter, Iraq over the conference on disarmament)....
we can classify current agents, but when some mad scientist invents a new one that borderlines the rule of chemical weapon and crowd control agents where should we put it? if there is no clear specific law on what is and isnt countries will debate on that gray area because it is there, that will only undermine the law
Our past record of humane treatment of prisoners is... on record! The new standard of war/terrorism means they will be dealt with on their terms. Suits me fine.
...but when some mad scientist invents a new one...
Bah, that's like asking if someone invents a new bullet, it will be in a gray area. NO, either it's NATO approved or it isn't. Simple, no?
Bah, that's like asking if someone invents a new bullet, it will be in a gray area. NO, either it's NATO approved or it isn't. Simple, no?
that is only how the UN is based, with rotating seats, that prevents politics and bullying ruling those who take part in the process, friend of mine told me that after the next security council rotation Iceland will have a seat
Hey dumbfusk! Show me ONE, just ONE, instance where the intent of the convention has been violated.
Then compare the treatment of US Soldiers when POWs by the Iraqis!
EVERY FEMALE TAKEN AS POWS ARE RAPED! Most are gang raped! You DO NOT read about this in our media, but it is well known by our Service Men and Women!
Others are shot and tortured...
Take the Geneva Convetion and shove it up your Elite arse!
If you feel for them so much but all means go stay with them, I sure they would be glad to see another America hater.
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