Is the end of AOL near? Forbes.com: The Little People VS. America Online

Wedesdo

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There is a great article on the structure of Internet Communities and the people to moderate them.

From ars-technica:



<< There's an excellent new article up on Forbes, about how someone is filing a class action suit against AOL on behalf of AOL's legion of volunteers. The suit alleges that the volunteers, who must go through training, work a minimum number of hours per week, obtain permission to miss shifts, get compensated in the form of free service, etc., fit the legal definition of employees under existing labor laws.

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In his class action lawsuit with thousands of former and present volunteers as potential plaintiffs, Greenberg makes a simple argument: Existing labor laws, some more than 70 years old, also apply to New Economy companies. Those laws, he contends, make it illegal for volunteers to work for for-profit companies. &quot;AOL was taking the labor of a volunteer and selling it as a product,&quot; he says. &quot;That's enough of an analysis to say that the volunteers are covered by the minimum wage [law].&quot;
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This could potentially be really, really huge, and could have implications for other online communities that use volunteers as moderators. On the one hand, after reading the article it really does look like AOL has been sticking it to these people, but on the other hand one worries about the implications for other member-supported online communities. - Hannibal
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The article is at http://www.forbes.com/asap/2001/0219/060.html .

Like what was said, all for-profit organizations (including Anandtech, with revenues of over $1 million/year) that use volunteers (moderators) to increase profits directly or indirectly (in the case of Anandtech, by cleaning up content and thus attracting more uses, which then inturn click more ad banners) are illegal because they are not paid the minimum wage. However, mods and other volunteers are what makes the internet what it is.

What's your take on this
 

syzygy

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their end is near ? only if you're measuring in
geological time. they just merged with time warner
and went from mega multinational to godlike 'big
brother' banana republic, or something like that :p
 

TravisBickle

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godlike 'big brother' banana republic, or something like that
lol!
i never ever even see the ads around here so whoever is spending money on me is wasting it!!!
 

Spook

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AOL is like a cult following... These volunteers feel important, and never even get the idea that maybe they should be getting paid for their services... Why get paid for something thats fun right, especially when it gives you power over others... Basiccally, AOL is abusing their power, yes. And the people that are 'helping' out, are morons, for putting up with it...
 

yakko

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<< how about AOL, and only AOL, gets in trouble for it >>


Nope. When you merge with a company you merge with their past. If you didn't do the research then you deserve to go down with it.


<< These volunteers feel important, and never even get the idea that maybe they should be getting paid for their services >>


Have you ever looked up the word volunteer? They were volunteers because they gave their time. If they were getting paid they would be employees.
 

yakko

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saxman,

I believe there should be a minimum wage but it needs to go back to $5/hr.
 

Moonbeam

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The miniumu wage laws should be eliminated because if you didn't have to pay people to work, employers would hire everybody and their'd be no unemployment.
 

saxman

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Hey MoonBeam, thats a good idea! Everyone has a job! Woohooo! I got paid 2 dollars yesterday!!! WOOHOO! That 12 hour day paid off!
 

TravisBickle

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see the sig, Moonbeam must be being sarcastic again! it must be sarcastic, there can be no comment more stupid.
 

Ornery

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What kind of Communist BS is this that the government can dictate what an employer is required to pay?

And how much do you pay your baby sitter? How about the kid that cuts your grass or delivers your paper. I'd like to know why you should be exempt from this law that you foist on employers.

Edit: Besides that, this case again points out the trouble with these laws. These &quot;volunteers&quot; are satisfied with the arrangement. Tell these fvcken lawyers and the socialist government to get their damn noses out of it!
 

Zucchini

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has anyone worked for 5 bux an hour? Its absurd.. esp in silicon valley atleast. Lets keep the piece work slave labor over seas ok?
 

yakko

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<< has anyone worked for 5 bux an hour? Its absurd >>


Why is it absurd? When I was folding tacos at Taco Bell that is what I made. That is enough for a mindless job where limited skills are needed. Bagboys, floor sweepers and other meanial tasks are what $5/hr is for. 16 year old kids who have never had a job before are perfect for $5/hr jobs. You can live on $5/hr you just can't have everything you want. If your skills only allow you to get a minimum wage job then you need more skills.

 

SJ

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Its called the cost of living. Hell most large cities have set their &quot;cost of living wage&quot;, and even if they hadn't most companies in those cities set their wages higher than minimum wage, simply because they wouldn't be able to higher enough people.

As for living on $5 a hour, hope you want to live in slum ville or out in the middle of no where. $5x40=$200-30(taxes withheld) and that equals $170 a week, $680 a month. Can anyone living on their own live on $680 a month. Not likely, and if they could, would you want to?
 

yakko

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SJ,

It is not a question of whether you want to or not. How many people want to work at all? Want is different from can. You can live on $5/hr and like I said if you have no skills to earn more then get some skills or shut up.