is the beef supply safe in the US?

[jaqie]

Plain and simple: This thread is just like the "Can you get aids from washing your laundry in the same laundromat?" thread. The OP made up their mind well in advance of posting and will not (instead of can not) accept any other possibilities.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: wyvrn

Originally posted by: amddude

Originally posted by: wyvrn
One of my former neighbors died of Mad Cow last year. He was retired, but in good shape. He apparently had it about 6 weeks before dying, but they couldn't trace it given the time frame. To actually know someone well who had Mad Cow was shocking. I cook all my meat longer now, no rare meat for me.

Unfortunately, mad cow is resistant to extremely high temperatures. It won't help a bit to cook longer. You're best of buying beef from someone you trust and avoiding nervous tissues.

Good information, thanks. I need to do more research on it to be safe.

yes. prions are stubborn bastards. No truly effective way of destroying them, as they are essentially, already "destroyed"

 

[Farley2k]

Originally posted by: jaqie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_cow_disease

It is believed, but not proven, that the disease may be transmitted to human beings who eat the brain or spinal cord of infected carcasses.

In the USA, bovine brain and spinal cord tissue is treated almost as carefully as biohazardous material, due to federal laws. If you eat US FDA certified beef, you are essentially not at risk.

Then why did the FDA recently recall 143 million pounds? Oh because someone did an undercover video of the practices.

So the question is are you just ignorant or are you willfully lying.

 

[moshquerade]

I hope this isn't in the US.
NOT SAFE FOR WORK

 

[JulesMaximus]

How to tell if your cow has mad cow disease.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Why don't they regulate what you are permitted to feed cows. Cows should be grazing on grass. Cows shouldn't be fed corn and bits of other cows.

$$$$$$$$$

Feeding cows corn and growth hormones means they grow more, and they put on more fat. More weight means more money.

More money in the hands of lobbyists means less regulation from lawmakers.



Corporations care about their profits. If your safety happens to come along with that, hey, great! What a nice side effect.
Yes, there is some regulation, but if they could do away with it, they would. Companies constantly try to find ways around the rules, either for safety, or for money. Think about the off-shore tax havens that big corporations use so that they can avoid paying millions in taxes. If someone who couldn't afford a huge legal team and a group of lobbyists (an average middle/lower-class worker) tried that, they'd be spending a lot of time in jail on tax evasion charges.

And some say that corporations aren't bad, they really are concerned about people, etc etc.
Yeah, that's why we need regulations. That's why OSHA was started. That's why companies routinely employed children, or put workers in dangerous conditions, and if anyone complained or got injured, they simply wouldn't have a job anymore.
No, they don't care about the employees or the consumers. They just want their money, and are willing to do whatever it takes to get it.

And going along with that was this post:

Originally posted by: cjchaps
Linky

Similar to what Monsanto is doing. They are suing to make it illegal for milk producers to label their milk as "hormone-free" because Monsanto produces a hormone which goes until milk which they make bank on.

it was rhetorical. I know the reason. Instead of subsidizing corn farmers they should pull the corn crops and plant grass fields for cows to graze in. The cows get fatter from corn and americans get fatter from corn fed beef. why oh why do we have an obesity epidemic I wonder.

 

[BudAshes]

This is the shit vegetarians should be telling people. Not the bullshit that cows have feelings too.

Does this mad cow thing remind anyone of the romans? They built their water pipes out of lead, which we know causes people to get heavy metal poisoning.

 

[irishScott]

Carlin on Germs FTW!

I've lived in the US my entire life (almost 21 years), and have eaten mucho beef (in the form of hamburgers/steaks mostly) for most of those years. I have yet to contract mad cow or any other disease from beef. I've only had food poisoning 5 times in my life, and I don't know if that was from beef or not.

Suffice to say, I think my experience (and the experiences of many others) proves that our beef is safe enough.

As for the vegetables, I've eaten raw produce plenty of times with no issues.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: irishScott
Carlin on Germs FTW!

I've lived in the US my entire life (almost 21 years), and have eaten mucho beef (in the form of hamburgers/steaks mostly) for most of those years. I have yet to contract mad cow or any other disease from beef. I've only had food poisoning 5 times in my life, and I don't know if that was from beef or not.

Suffice to say, I think my experience (and the experiences of many others) proves that our beef is safe enough.

As for the vegetables, I've eaten raw produce plenty of times with no issues.

Well thanks for that scientific insight, now all the sheep can go back to their feeding...

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: irishScott
Carlin on Germs FTW!

I've lived in the US my entire life (almost 21 years), and have eaten mucho beef (in the form of hamburgers/steaks mostly) for most of those years. I have yet to contract mad cow or any other disease from beef. I've only had food poisoning 5 times in my life, and I don't know if that was from beef or not.

Suffice to say, I think my experience (and the experiences of many others) proves that our beef is safe enough.

As for the vegetables, I've eaten raw produce plenty of times with no issues.

Well thanks for that scientific insight, now all the sheep can go back to their feeding...

You're welcome.

You want raw stats? As of 2006:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd.../other/vCJD_112906.htm

As of November 2006, 200 vCJD patients were reported world-wide, including 164 patients identified in the United Kingdom, 21 in France, 4 in the Republic of Ireland, 3 in the United States (including the present case-patient), 2 in the Netherlands and 1 each in Canada, Italy, Japan, Portugal, Saudi Arabia and Spain. Of the 200 reported vCJD patients, all except 10 of them (including the present case-patient) had resided either in the United Kingdom (170 cases) for over 6 months during the 1980-1996 period of the large UK BSE outbreak or alternatively in France (20 cases).

The risk of contracting it is ridiculously low.

Edit: If you want more updated data, there haven't been any other confirmed cases of MAd Cow since the afore-mentioned stats.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/bse/

 

[cherrytwist]

Man, this place really needs a P&N forum.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: cherrytwist
Man, this place really needs a P&N forum.

how is this topic politics or news? OT is a conversation center like you would in a bar.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: irishScott
Carlin on Germs FTW!

I've lived in the US my entire life (almost 21 years), and have eaten mucho beef (in the form of hamburgers/steaks mostly) for most of those years. I have yet to contract mad cow or any other disease from beef. I've only had food poisoning 5 times in my life, and I don't know if that was from beef or not.

Suffice to say, I think my experience (and the experiences of many others) proves that our beef is safe enough.

As for the vegetables, I've eaten raw produce plenty of times with no issues.

Well thanks for that scientific insight, now all the sheep can go back to their feeding...

You're welcome.

You want raw stats? As of 2006:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd.../other/vCJD_112906.htm

As of November 2006, 200 vCJD patients were reported world-wide, including 164 patients identified in the United Kingdom, 21 in France, 4 in the Republic of Ireland, 3 in the United States (including the present case-patient), 2 in the Netherlands and 1 each in Canada, Italy, Japan, Portugal, Saudi Arabia and Spain. Of the 200 reported vCJD patients, all except 10 of them (including the present case-patient) had resided either in the United Kingdom (170 cases) for over 6 months during the 1980-1996 period of the large UK BSE outbreak or alternatively in France (20 cases).

The risk of contracting it is ridiculously low.

Edit: If you want more updated data, there haven't been any other confirmed cases of MAd Cow since the afore-mentioned stats.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/bse/

again i ask, how many who die from Alzheimer's really died from Mad Cow?

 

[cherrytwist]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: cherrytwist
Man, this place really needs a P&N forum.

how is this topic politics or news? OT is a conversation center like you would in a bar.

It's a political topic on a news article.

I mean, come on.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: irishScott
Carlin on Germs FTW!

I've lived in the US my entire life (almost 21 years), and have eaten mucho beef (in the form of hamburgers/steaks mostly) for most of those years. I have yet to contract mad cow or any other disease from beef. I've only had food poisoning 5 times in my life, and I don't know if that was from beef or not.

Suffice to say, I think my experience (and the experiences of many others) proves that our beef is safe enough.

As for the vegetables, I've eaten raw produce plenty of times with no issues.

Well thanks for that scientific insight, now all the sheep can go back to their feeding...

You're welcome.

You want raw stats? As of 2006:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd.../other/vCJD_112906.htm

As of November 2006, 200 vCJD patients were reported world-wide, including 164 patients identified in the United Kingdom, 21 in France, 4 in the Republic of Ireland, 3 in the United States (including the present case-patient), 2 in the Netherlands and 1 each in Canada, Italy, Japan, Portugal, Saudi Arabia and Spain. Of the 200 reported vCJD patients, all except 10 of them (including the present case-patient) had resided either in the United Kingdom (170 cases) for over 6 months during the 1980-1996 period of the large UK BSE outbreak or alternatively in France (20 cases).

The risk of contracting it is ridiculously low.

Edit: If you want more updated data, there haven't been any other confirmed cases of MAd Cow since the afore-mentioned stats.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/bse/

again i ask, how many who die from Alzheimer's really died from Mad Cow?

Well, if you believe the data, then NONE.
If you don't believe the data, then I ask you this: How many of the reported cases of stillbirth and SIDS combined were really death by chocolate?

Check the WHO definition for vCJD and Alzheimers.org for Alzheimers. If the symptoms of memory loss and disorientation are being confused with schizophrenia, unusual sensory symptoms, and difficulty walking with involuntary movements, you need a new doctor.

There is no Alzheimers/vCJD conspiracy or cover-up. "Mad cow" is not striking people every 71 seconds in the US.

 

[gnumantsc]

I really don't trust what they do with US beef. Funny how there is not even 1 case in the US. Canada on the other hand had 2 cows test positive, it did not even go into the food chain and the US banned Canadian imports. How did the cow get mad cow? Through the feed which was shipped from the US into Canada and the feed contained the disease.

In Canada they can track the history of the cow up 5 generations and from which farm and the day they slaughtered the cow, in the US there is absolutely no information. It is sad and the fact that the farmers also inject their cows with drugs to get more milk is also sad.

Japan has the most strictest testing policy when it comes to beef. Canada does test a lot more than the US and what the US tests is a joke.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: cjchaps

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Citrix
i saw a piece in the paper over the weekend about how the USDA sued to stop a slaughter house here in Colorado from testing 100% of the cows for mad cow... WTF??? why would the government STOP a private company from making sure the food is safe?

the piece also made a comparison to Japan who test every single cow and routinily find mad cow in their herds, where the US we only test 1 in 20,000 cows and we find non mad cow.... WTF?

Also, in the piece if you take one 4oz beef patty and had DNA testing done on it the results would show that meat patty came from up to 500 different cows. if one Mad Cow got through all one would need is enough pryons to fit on the tip of a pen to pass it off the the human... WTF????

also,,, how many with Alzheimer's actually have Alzheimer's and not mad cow? no test are really done after the person dies to know this info. mainly because agencies do not want to touch the brain because the pryons are practically indestructible.

one last point. did you know it is illegal to speak out against the beef industry even if it is the truth? the piece listed the new law ill see if i can find it.

so is our beef all that save? they still grind up cows and feed cows to cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys and sheep.... and the industry still uses the blood from the slaughter houses to make in to a milk supplement to feed to calves....


dont get me wrong i love a good steak, in fact i grilled up some awesome bacon wrapped sirloin filet's last night.



edit: my wife and I are banned from life from donating blood. why? because we lived in Germany for 4 years and the air force got all of its beef from England.

Sounds like they are afraid that if one company is allowed to aggressively test and market their beef as 100% mad-cow free, guaranteed, it will indirectly require other producers and distributors to do the same in order to be competitive. That in turn might reveal the beef industry is much more of a mad-cow industry than they have been willing to admit, with many more problems than they have been willing to address.

Linky

Similar to what Monsanto is doing. They are suing to make it illegal for milk producers to label their milk as "hormone-free" because Monsanto produces a hormone which goes until milk which they make bank on.

Whoa.

That is extremely upsetting.

:|

 

[LongCoolMother]

Originally posted by: gnumantsc
I really don't trust what they do with US beef. Funny how there is not even 1 case in the US. Canada on the other hand had 2 cows test positive, it did not even go into the food chain and the US banned Canadian imports. How did the cow get mad cow? Through the feed which was shipped from the US into Canada and the feed contained the disease.

In Canada they can track the history of the cow up 5 generations and from which farm and the day they slaughtered the cow, in the US there is absolutely no information. It is sad and the fact that the farmers also inject their cows with drugs to get more milk is also sad.

Japan has the most strictest testing policy when it comes to beef. Canada does test a lot more than the US and what the US tests is a joke.

wow. that sucks. is it possible, say, to buy canadian beef or japanese beef here in the US (at a price premium, of course)? All the beef in the supermarkets seem to be USDA handled. May be worth buying Canadian beef just to be safe, you know.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: cjchaps

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Citrix
i saw a piece in the paper over the weekend about how the USDA sued to stop a slaughter house here in Colorado from testing 100% of the cows for mad cow... WTF??? why would the government STOP a private company from making sure the food is safe?

the piece also made a comparison to Japan who test every single cow and routinily find mad cow in their herds, where the US we only test 1 in 20,000 cows and we find non mad cow.... WTF?

Also, in the piece if you take one 4oz beef patty and had DNA testing done on it the results would show that meat patty came from up to 500 different cows. if one Mad Cow got through all one would need is enough pryons to fit on the tip of a pen to pass it off the the human... WTF????

also,,, how many with Alzheimer's actually have Alzheimer's and not mad cow? no test are really done after the person dies to know this info. mainly because agencies do not want to touch the brain because the pryons are practically indestructible.

one last point. did you know it is illegal to speak out against the beef industry even if it is the truth? the piece listed the new law ill see if i can find it.

so is our beef all that save? they still grind up cows and feed cows to cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys and sheep.... and the industry still uses the blood from the slaughter houses to make in to a milk supplement to feed to calves....


dont get me wrong i love a good steak, in fact i grilled up some awesome bacon wrapped sirloin filet's last night.



edit: my wife and I are banned from life from donating blood. why? because we lived in Germany for 4 years and the air force got all of its beef from England.

Sounds like they are afraid that if one company is allowed to aggressively test and market their beef as 100% mad-cow free, guaranteed, it will indirectly require other producers and distributors to do the same in order to be competitive. That in turn might reveal the beef industry is much more of a mad-cow industry than they have been willing to admit, with many more problems than they have been willing to address.

Linky

Similar to what Monsanto is doing. They are suing to make it illegal for milk producers to label their milk as "hormone-free" because Monsanto produces a hormone which goes until milk which they make bank on.

Whoa.

That is extremely upsetting.

:|

meh, some kooks out there think milk shouldn't be drunk by adult humans regardless.
really though, hippy nonsense that basically believes that nature evolved to provide for human health are really deluding themselves.

 

[CasioTech]

this is why I stopped eating meat 4 years ago.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: CasioTech
this is why I stopped eating meat 4 years ago.

Too many obvious jokes with that one

 

[Homerboy]

On a serious note, my mother-in-law died from CJD (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) which is more or less the human equivalent of mad Cow.
Lets just say you start reading up on that and it makes you REALLY wonder and REALLY scared.

 

[Deeko]

Cow is my favorite food. I haven't died yet.

 

[AlienCraft]

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/glo...2&ClientType=Printable

This article mentions my buddy, Ted Oliphant, who has persuaded me with his theory, as described in this article.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: jaqie
Plain and simple: This thread is just like the "Can you get aids from washing your laundry in the same laundromat?" thread. The OP made up their mind well in advance of posting and will not (instead of can not) accept any other possibilities.

holy crap its not even close to that thread. the one possibility that i have opened up to is that you are a retard.