Is stopping a potential genocide in America's core interests?

[alcoholbob]

Since when did we become the Policemen of the world??

Calm down nobody is asking Israel to get involved.

 

[Jaskalas]

and TH will make a thread soon after condemning Obama for the airstrikes

It'd be nice if Congress had a say in such things.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think I want a ride off this rock with the new Space Drive. Maybe there's intelligent life somewhere else. It seems to be dying here.

 

[Phokus]

It'd be nice if Congress had a say in such things.

This should be a NATO mission maybe. We broke Iraq, we have to fix it somehow. I don't want another US led occupation though.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This should be a NATO mission maybe. We broke Iraq, we have to fix it somehow. I don't want another US led occupation though.

Well that sounds wonderful but I think you greatly underestimate the situation. Iraq is not repairable because it's a nation which should not exist at all. I suppose we could install a tyrant puppet to satisfy Western desires for there to be an Iraq, but you had better be prepared to be up to your eyeballs in blood and guts.

 

[feralkid]

It'd be nice if Congress had a say in such things.

How could our "do-nothing" congress possibly stop TH from posting idiotic threads?

 

[squarecut1]

Calm down nobody is asking Israel to get involved.

But we will get involved if it is in Israel's national interest and Netanyahu makes one phone call to Obama, the latter only replying with "Yes, Sir!"

 

[feralkid]

But we will get involved if it is in Israel's national interest and Netanyahu makes one phone call to Obama, the latter only replying with "Yes, Sir!"

 

[rockyct]

The only example I can think of is Bosnia/Croatia.

I think it's moot though. At this point in time we should not tolerate Genocide.

Yeah, the Muslims and Croatians love the US and Clinton because we did rightfully intervene in that area. It turned out fairly well although Bosnia isn't super stable right now. Croatia seems to be doing great though.

But we will get involved if it is in Israel's national interest and Netanyahu makes one phone call to Obama, the latter only replying with "Yes, Sir!"

I thought the problem with Obama was that he didn't support Israel enough? Now the problem is that he supports them too much?

 

[Whiskey16]

TH, we spent crap tons of our own money (well, China's) and poured blood from our own people over there to give the populace a chance at unf*cking themselves.

Spin and bullshit.

You made a choice for an optional war of aggression and a high international crime to waste your own people's bloody life's, those of Iraqis and to destroy that society into what it has become.

Ignorance and incompetence to the highest order. Though, fault does go back to other powers with the fall of the Ottoman empire, and a continuing share by the UK, though it was namely the USA that chose the lead to the high crime for a war of aggression.

You criminally broke it. Please don't play the lying PR card of the sad, altruistic saps, whom the Iraqis owe their gratitude upon.

 

[Whiskey16]

I heard that the UN has recognized it as Genocide, but whether it can cobble together some kind of military force together to address it is another matter.

A domestic Chapter VII mission requires the appeal of the Iraqi government, and then yes, member states to offer military support.

A big problem, as with the former Yugoslavia, are the bogeymen of Russia and China with their Security Council vetos. Considering what may be escalating further in the Ukraine, a domestic call to external arms with the UN blessing may no go down to well.

Though, as this is a domestic situation, a Security Council support and resolution isn't quite necessary. Iraq has the right to apply its military domestically as well as call for any external assistance.

Honestly, the US and the UK did break Iraq. So, by all means, with Iraq's blessing, go at'em.

By going after these insurgent forces, I don't foresee see how much more harm that the USA and UK can do since the 2003 invasion and incompetent aftermath. You bloody fools already accomplished a most impressive destruction of a state, society, and infrastructure........More so than ISIS has left to touch.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Another TH fail thread.

 

[UberNeuman]

President Barack Obama's statement Thursday night on authorizing U.S. air strikes against Islamic militants in Iraq and airdrops of humanitarian aid for Iraqi religious minorities threatened by the extremists...

So, how long until impeachment talk begins again...

 

[sandorski]

President Barack Obama's statement Thursday night on authorizing U.S. air strikes against Islamic militants in Iraq and airdrops of humanitarian aid for Iraqi religious minorities threatened by the extremists...

So, how long until impeachment talk begins again...

 

[sportage]

The whole thing here is they are Christian, the people trapped on top of the hill.
What to do? What to do?
Obama will be damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.
But the real issue is why? Why?
The why is because GW felt toppling saddam hussein was better than not.
And left the country open to any crackpot group that wanted to take over.
Saddam was at least some sort of stabilization, like it or not.
But yee haw GW figured nothing is better than something.
So he broke it, and now we own it.
Even Obama must realize that by now.
Yet again, this points directly back to flawed policy when GW and his band of dummies were in charge. Their gift of giving that just keeps on giving and giving and giving.
If there was ever a magic wand to fix that country, GW broke it.
And because of ignorant leaders along with ignorant voters that put them in office, here we are in 2014. War, the remake.
Someone makes the mess, and everyone else has to try to clean it up.
You can't blame the janitor for cleaning up the mess.
But who cares about any of that.

 

[chucky2]

Spin and bullshit.

You made a choice for an optional war of aggression and a high international crime to waste your own people's bloody life's, those of Iraqis and to destroy that society into what it has become.

In light of 9/11 it really wasn't optional, horribly mismanaged as it was. Next international crime...no one gives a F even if it was, the US basically is the international police, who do we have to answer to? NATO? NATO can't even do anything without us, they're almost useless. Other non-western countries? Lulz...they don't give a sh1t either. They'll do what they need to do when they need to do it, just like every other country will. Putin just f*cked with Ukraine and then LOL'd at the US. There'll be some short term sanctions that Putin and the rest of the elite won't give a shit about, the average RU citizen will drink more vodka, then the sanctions will go away and they'll still have accomplished what they set out to do. Yippee! International crime, wadda joke. Since I already covered our blood next would be the Iraqi's, of which I can only assume you mean the actual innocent civilians. Since the vast vast vast majority of our troops didn't go shooting civilians w/o a reason (like, those same actual innocent civilians Muslim peers decided to war - on purpose - with US troops in a market), really I don't put that blood on our hands, I put it on Muslim culture and their allowance of groups that wanted to fight the infidel. How'd that net work out for them? Going swimmingly it looks like...

Ignorance and incompetence to the highest order. Though, fault does go back to other powers with the fall of the Ottoman empire, and a continuing share by the UK, though it was namely the USA that chose the lead to the high crime for a war of aggression.

They've been warring over there since forever. Had the UK and French not F'd the situation up there in the first place, they'd still be warring with each other. Again, their not supporting the US when we were there. They could be advancing themselves by 1000 years, instead, same ME shit, different day.

You criminally broke it. Please don't play the lying PR card of the sad, altruistic saps, whom the Iraqis owe their gratitude upon.

Again, no one but EU asslickers give a F about 'criminally' broke it. It was broke before we got there, it was broke while we were there, and lookee there, it's still broke. And had they overthrown Saddam and not us (whatever century that would have happened in), guess what? They'd be warring with each other...just like...wait for it...now.

I understand it's very popular to go on a 70's emo bent about protesting the war, the US, love and peace, OMG the Hague, but...no one outside of the Lefty emo crowd cares. Rage on (Macro is that you?), rage on...

 

[Whiskey16]

In light of 9/11 it [Invading Iraq] really wasn't optional...

Ooohh, we're all ears.

I suggest you creep away from this TH typicalfailure of a thread, and go start a new on to explain yourself, you bloody neo-con apologist.

You broke it. You can't even come to terms with failure. Typical blowhard.

 

[alcoholbob]

President Barack Obama's statement Thursday night on authorizing U.S. air strikes against Islamic militants in Iraq and airdrops of humanitarian aid for Iraqi religious minorities threatened by the extremists...

So, how long until impeachment talk begins again...

Why Impeach? He's doing exactly as McCain and his wife Lindsey want.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

In light of 9/11 it really wasn't optional, horribly mismanaged as it was.

That's like saying we had to attack Antarctica in light of 9/11. Why? Penguins. Iraq and Saddam had nothing to do with it. ISIS and the current situation exist because we had the option NOT to attack and we did. Seriously, this is TH "women's rights" logic. I doubt the prior administration knew a Shia from Kurd. It just wanted the war.

 

[Pneumothorax]

President Barack Obama's statement Thursday night on authorizing U.S. air strikes against Islamic militants in Iraq and airdrops of humanitarian aid for Iraqi religious minorities threatened by the extremists...

So, how long until impeachment talk begins again...

Why? Last night was one of the handful of times in the last 6 years I've actually agreed with our President. ()

 

[Oldgamer]

It doesn't what the POTUS does, he is going to take the blame and criticism for it anyway.
He is now bombing sites of ISIS and dropping care packages for the people trapped in the mountains, and I am listening to folks on the news saying that he isn't doing enough..*shakes head*

 

[Thebobo]

We have core interests? I like the diversity of post here. TH threads and many others like Anarchist and Stew are very lively and to me add to the "charm" of what is P&N. If I would complain about anything I would like to see folks debate the subject no matter how wacky rather than mental state of the poster. That should be a core value if there are any. What's really odd is folks complain about these post but can't seem to refrain from not posting in them.

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Sorry for offtopic rant

 

[Hacp]

I'm tired of butting into other people's business. Let Iran and Iraq deal with ISIS. Each missile dropped costs 20 million? That's 20 million in taxpayer money down the drain for each middle we drop. Plus the cost of wear and tear on our planes. No more.

 

[brycejones]

I thought the problem with Obama was that he didn't support Israel enough? Now the problem is that he supports them too much?

Exactly, the whacko's can't decide.

 

[brycejones]

I'm tired of butting into other people's business. Let Iran and Iraq deal with ISIS. Each missile dropped costs 20 million? That's 20 million in taxpayer money down the drain for each middle we drop. Plus the cost of wear and tear on our planes. No more.

No they don't cost $20M apiece.