Is Rudy Giuliani responsible for more American deaths than Osama Bin Laden?

senseamp

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Sure looks like it.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...federal-investigation-dopesick-excerpt-219158
Ultimately, though, it was the holding company, not Purdue Pharma, that was banned from doing business with public health programs, a Giuliani-arranged deal that allowed OxyContin sales to continue growing—and the epidemic to continue festering, largely unchecked.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...liani-opioid-epidemic-oxycontin-purdue-pharma
Purdue Pharma hired Rudolph Giuliani, the former New York mayor and now Donald Trump’s lawyer, to head off a federal investigation in the mid-2000s into the company’s marketing of the powerful prescription painkiller at the centre of an epidemic estimated to have claimed at least 300,000 lives.
While Giuliani was not able to prevent the criminal conviction over Purdue’s fraudulent claims for OxyContin’s safety and effectiveness, he was able to reach a deal to avoid a bar on Purdue doing business with the federal government which would have killed a large part of the multibillion-dollar market for the drug.
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But Giuliani won an important concession for Purdue. Corporations with criminal convictions are mostly barred from doing business with the federal government. If Purdue Pharma’s name was on the conviction it would probably have forced OxyContin from public health programs such as Medicaid and Medicare and the Veterans Administration health system. That in turn was likely to diminish its prescribing in the private health system.
Shilling for Trump is an upgrade for that guy.
 

Jaskalas

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It is difficult to compare acts of violence to drugs. One does not typically volunteer to be... butchered. One does, however, volunteer to lose their mind. Does that culpability on part of the victim change the nature of responsibility for those who pushed it? Does legal service in a court of law count as pushing a drug?

Your comparison seems fraught with error. In this case, Rudy would be Bin Laden's lawyer.
 

Meghan54

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In this case, Rudy would be Bin Laden's lawyer.

Guess that would have been no surprise:

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senseamp

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It is difficult to compare acts of violence to drugs. One does not typically volunteer to be... butchered. One does, however, volunteer to lose their mind. Does that culpability on part of the victim change the nature of responsibility for those who pushed it? Does legal service in a court of law count as pushing a drug?

Your comparison seems fraught with error. In this case, Rudy would be Bin Laden's lawyer.
A lawyer cutting deals to allow Bin Laden to keep killing Americans in your analogy. Also Perdue misrepresented the addictive potential of these drugs, so doctors prescribed them for aches and pains, hooking people before they knew it. Rudy fought to let them keep doing it with impunity.
 
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hal2kilo

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A lawyer cutting deals to allow Bin Laden to keep killing Americans in your analogy. Also Perdue misrepresented the addictive potential of these drugs, so doctors prescribed them for aches and pains, hooking people before they knew it. Rudy fought to let them keep doing it with impunity.
I love the term volunteer he used.