Is Romney running one of the worst campaigns for president ever?

waterjug

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I don't like Obama in the least; I think Obama is pretentious, saddling the country with obscene debt, etc. etc. you’re usual run of the mill anti-obama points .So I'm not slanted against Romney. Plus I'm a moderate, from Massachusetts, and I like to consider all options in political races that I'll be voting in.

Anyhow, a couple years back Scott Brown got elected, and what a lot of people don't realize is that in MA it wasn't necessarily about the specter of Obama's health care, it was largely about Martha Coakley (Brown's opponent) running one of the worst campaigns in recent political memory. She didn't get out, she didn't advertise much, and she and her campaign managed the race like it was in the bag because she was the Democrat. Of course Scott Brown outworked her and ended up pulling out the victory. I thought at the time that I couldn’t imagine someone running a worse major political campaign than her.

However I have come to think that Romney’s campaign is even worse. Like Kerry a few years ago campaigning as this personalityless anti-Bush, Romney is just going out there and bashing Obama without any actual backbone to his message or campaign. He’s been playing defensive 90% of the time when he has issues that he can use to rally conservatives around him. I don’t necessarily blame him for not pandering to the far right; even though they get a ton of the media coverage they are an extremely small portion of the electorate, and pandering to them would lose him the middle. But what baffles me is this constant stream of defensive statements he’s been making, his apathetic campaigning, and his refusal to really dig in and start attacking a president that appeared to be quite vulnerable. At this point I’m starting to wonder if Romney thinks he can’t win, so he’s not going to devote as many resources to what he knows will be a losing cause. I'm wondering if this is going to be a bloodbath a la Reagan's re-election, and I’m genuinely curious as to what the hell Romney is doing. You’d barely even know there was a presidential race happening in less than 100 days with how apathetic his campaign has been run.

I was looking forward to having someone more moderate to vote for, instead I get the Obama pu-pu platter, or the Romney plain toast platter. Ugh. So any ideas on why he’s running his campaign this shittily?
 

OrByte

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Yes. This should be a slam dunk for him.

Obama has a poor economic record
Romney is raising CRAZY money
The economy hasn't improved enough to give any incumbent an edge (D or R)
 

K1052

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It's pretty meh (not Palin for VP choice bad). He seemed under prepared for his international trip, won't really stake out an positions, and he's getting hit daily by the most predictable personal attack imaginable...his wealth.

What I'm hearing from people who have money and will still be voting R is that Romney's biggest problems are his lack of presence in basically every public appearance and his enormous personal wealth during a troubled economy. The consensus seems to be that this will probably be enough to sink him in the election barring some major unforeseen event.
 

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It's pretty meh (not Palin for VP choice bad). He seemed under prepared for his international trip, won't really stake out an positions, and he's getting hit daily by the most predictable personal attack imaginable...his wealth.

What I'm hearing from people who have money and will still be voting R is that Romney's biggest problems are his lack of presence in basically every public appearance and his enormous personal wealth during a troubled economy. The consensus seems to be that this will probably be enough to sink him in the election barring some major unforeseen event.

Because Obama is poor? Middle Class?
 

dank69

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Because Obama is poor? Middle Class?
Obama publicly states that he wants to raise taxes on people making >$250k. Romney publicly states that he wants to lower taxes on people making >$250k. Interpret that however you wish.
 

Juddog

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It doesn't matter how bad his campaign is; he could be up on stage with a brown paper bag on his head and he'd still get in the low 40% just by virtue of being Republican.
 

waterjug

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Because Obama is poor? Middle Class?

That's what I'm saying; Obama is loaded as well, yet Romney refuses to counter-attack OR better yet go after Obama on about 8 different issues he could leverage. Instead he just sits back, let's Obama attack him, tries to defend himself, and then just sits there waiting for the next attack.
 

K1052

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Because Obama is poor? Middle Class?

Almost all of Obama's money came (and still does) from his book and is conservatively invested in government bonds and balanced funds. It's what about $6M? People can identify with that kind of success.

Explaining to people how you have $100M in a IRA, offshore bank accounts, and won't let people check out you back tax returns plays a little differently. His net worth is somewhere above $250M but nobody is entirely sure.
 
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Spungo

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However I have come to think that Romney’s campaign is even worse. Like Kerry a few years ago campaigning as this personalityless anti-Bush, Romney is just going out there and bashing Obama without any actual backbone to his message or campaign.
How do these idiots get as far as they do? It almost seems like Romney and Kerry want to lose. There's no other explanation for how bad they are at politics.

Kerry:
-I was proud to serve in vietnam
-vietnam was an unjust war
-i proudly participated in an unjust war
-i threw out my military awards
-actually i kept my awards and threw away someone else's awards
-i regret not dodging the draft but i'm proud that i didn't draft dodge

Romney:
-there are pictures of me supporting the vietnam war
-i dodged the vietnam draft several times for things like a trip to france
-the taxes in this country are too high
-my plan is to lower my own taxes but increases all of your taxes
-i complain about taxes even though i keep my money in foreign bank accounts to avoid taxes

Any random homeless person would run a better campaign.
 

thraashman

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How do these idiots get as far as they do? It almost seems like Romney and Kerry want to lose. There's no other explanation for how bad they are at politics.

Kerry:
-I was proud to serve in vietnam
-vietnam was an unjust war
-i proudly participated in an unjust war
-i threw out my military awards
-actually i kept my awards and threw away someone else's awards
-i regret not dodging the draft but i'm proud that i didn't draft dodge

Romney:
-there are pictures of me supporting the vietnam war
-i dodged the vietnam draft several times for things like a trip to france
-the taxes in this country are too high
-my plan is to lower my own taxes but increases all of your taxes
-i complain about taxes even though i keep my money in foreign bank accounts to avoid taxes

Any random homeless person would run a better campaign.

Kerry also had a weakness that Romney doesn't have. There is probably nothing Obama or his supporters could do that would be as low and underhanded as swift boating that would actually affect Romney. Largely because no liberal would support any group that did something as low as attacking a hero veteran on his war record. I can't think of an equivalent for Romney that could be attacked, but that's because I can't think of any good thing he's done that someone could attack and turn it around as bad.
 

techs

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There is a difference between the campaign and Romneys performance.

The campaign is actually running very well. Since the 1990's the Republicans have put together coalitions of single or double issue voters to win elections. They pioneered the use of computers and figured out that if you micro targeted voters on the issue or two that they most likely would come out and vote for you could increase turnout. Instead of trying to be moderate or appeal to a "basket" of issues they tried to be as immoderate as possible.

In 2000 they very quietly motivated the Christian morals voters on the Clinton sex scandal. They also targeted those whose most important issue was taxes. And they won.
In 2004 they used national security. They added the "security moms" to their coalition.

Now in 2012 their issues voters have become so extreme that they literally are at the point that Romney can't really appeal to them without looking so extreme he loses the independents. So the Romney campaign has to run in stealth mode and not say what Romney will do but attack Obama. On the other hand these attacks have to be more moderate since they are directed to the independents.

The botton line is that there is no right wing coalition that would win for Romney so he can't go full right wing in his campaign. He needs to go towards the center. And the problem is that Republicans are used to candidates claiming terrorists want to eat your baby and Democrats want to institute Sharia law. So Romney looks weak amongst his base. But he is following the only course open to him
 

Fern

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Too soon to tell how Romney's campaign will be, IMO.

I expect the real campaigning to begin after Labor Day.

And if you're judging his campaign by what the media says, other than Fox they're gonna hammer him over stuff real, spun or just downright invented, so his campaign will never look good to you.

Fern
 

bfdd

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Yes. This should be a slam dunk for him.

Obama has a poor economic record
Romney is raising CRAZY money
The economy hasn't improved enough to give any incumbent an edge (D or R)

lol wut? Romney is not a good candidate to run against Obama. it's like asking people to pick the white iPhone 4 even though they already have a black iPhone 4.
 

monovillage

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86% of the media coverage about Romney is negative, it doesn't matter how much money he raises he can't compete with the mainstream media and it's bias.
 

techs

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86% of the media coverage about Romney is negative, it doesn't matter how much money he raises he can't compete with the mainstream media and it's bias.

That is complete and utter bullshit.
In fact Yahoo is dealing right now with complaints that their homepage has been showing 3-1 anti Obama news stories. Googles news which uses a computer program has also been criticized for allowing pro Romney stories to run 2-1 against Obama.

When are righties going to realize that big corporations own the media and big corps are Republican?
 

bfdd

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That is complete and utter bullshit.
In fact Yahoo is dealing right now with complaints that their homepage has been showing 3-1 anti Obama news stories. Googles news which uses a computer program has also been criticized for allowing pro Romney stories to run 2-1 against Obama.

When are righties going to realize that big corporations own the media and big corps are Republican?

I haven't been keeping count, but my impression of it has been it's been rather equal in hate/love articles I've seen for the two. Though it bewilders me far more to read on in praise of Romney than in praise of Obama.
 

techs

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I haven't been keeping count, but my impression of it has been it's been rather equal in hate/love articles I've seen for the two. Though it bewilders me far more to read on in praise of Romney than in praise of Obama.
There are actually groups that keep track of these things.
 

bfdd

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There are actually groups that keep track of these things.

techs, i know i wasn't questioning your data. i was just simply posting my perspective as an independent with a similar opinion on both candidates. i really wasn't trying to back up either side of the argument.
 

Spungo

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86% of the media coverage about Romney is negative, it doesn't matter how much money he raises he can't compete with the mainstream media and it's bias.

Don't need media bias. He's such a dumb ass that honest reporting is enough to destroy him.
 

Phokus

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86% of the media coverage about Romney is negative, it doesn't matter how much money he raises he can't compete with the mainstream media and it's bias.

He should probably stop lying, that would help a lot.