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1prophet

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It's not only the religious, Liberals used to be at the forefront when it came to banning pornography and some still are,

what happened is they painted themselves into an ideological corner because they opposed pornography but didn't want appear to do so since they didn't want to be labeled themselves as censors or look like they were agreeing with the conservative religious types,

therefore ceding the battle to the religious organizations.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ls-who-want-adult-obscenity-fought.print.html

Obama's Porn Problem With Liberals

This week, Obama quietly cut funding for the task force that monitors sexual predators and deviance online.

But this week, news broke that the Obama administration had quietly shuttered the only Justice Department unit that exclusively fought adult obscenity (defined as criminally offensive material that has no “serious literary, political, artistic, or medical value”). Amid a flurry of criticism, administration officials defended the move, arguing that limited resources would be better spent prosecuting cases of child exploitation. Meanwhile, conservatives such as Sen. Orrin Hatch seized the opportunity to accuse the White House of being soft on hardcore porn.




At first, it all seemed like another formulaic episode in the culture war: the religious right crusading against smut peddlers in the name of “family values”; liberals rolling their eyes at puritanical Republicans and their censorship-happy agenda. But a closer look at the events reveals a kink in the common narrative—and a potential shift in culture-war battle lines.
Earlier this month, 42 senators signed a letter urging Attorney General Eric Holder to step up enforcement of federal obscenity laws. Among the cast of mostly Republican signers, one name stood out: Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a staunch liberal from California, the de-facto porn capital of America. (Feinstein wasn’t available to comment for this story.)




She wasn’t alone: five other Senate Democrats, including Minnesota’s left-wing warrior, Amy Klobuchar, also signed the letter, and they were applauded by feminists, leftist lawyers, and liberal academics. Together, this increasingly vocal segment of progressives is making the case that hardcore porn flies in the face of cherished liberal causes—and that Democrats should be leading the charge to take down its distributors.
“To be anti-porn is a progressive principle.”




The Daily Beast reached out to several liberal anti-porn advocates and asked them to explain why defending adult obscenity is incompatible with liberal principles. Here, we summarize the left’s case against hardcore porn.




It’s Anti-Feminist
“To be anti-porn is a progressive principle,” says Dr. Gail Dines, author of the 2010 book Pornland. “The progressive position is that we’re opposed to anything that produces inequality, and porn absolutely feeds into sexual inequality—creates it, amplifies it, and justifies it.”


As a professor at Wheelock College, a liberal arts school in Massachusetts, Dines is not lacking for feminist credentials. She has devoted the majority of her scholarly research to exposing sexism, and frequently lectures on how the media promote gender bias. She has no patience for the trendy argument that porn actually promotes female empowerment. On the contrary, she argues, the violent brand of smut that the Justice Department is ignoring poisons the public perception of gender relations.
“It legitimizes the idea that men have all the power over women,” she says. “In pornography, women don’t need good housing and fair pay; all they need is body-punishing sex. They’re not human beings.”
Dr. Pepper Schwartz, a sociology professor at the University of Washington, says that by glorifying violent sexual fantasies, hardcore porn makers can encourage naturally violent men to act on their urges: “That combination of explicit sexual scenarios and a proclivity for violence against women is combustible.”




It Makes Sex Ed Irrelevant
Along the same lines, Dines says comprehensive sex education—long a rallying cry among liberals—is competing with hardcore porn sites to shape young boys’ attitudes toward sex.
“We know that at age 14, the vast majority of boys have looked at porn and probably masturbated to it,” says Dines. “Literally their first introduction to sex is sites like bangedbabbysitters.com. These aren’t adult men who can compare what they see to reality. They’re young and vulnerable.”


And while liberal sex ed advocates say condom-on-banana demonstrations can help prevent such tragedies as teenage pregnancy or adolescent STDs, Dines says the twisted messages that underlie violent porn can be just as dangerous as sexual naïveté.


“In hardcore porn, the more horrible and hateful you treat a woman, the better and bigger her orgasm,” Dines says. “How can a boy masturbate to women being abused, and then look at women in their lives and see them as regular people?”




It’s Racist
While racist depictions in mainstream media have dramatically declined over the years, Dines writes that contemporary pornography continues to “[get] away with a level of racism that is breathtaking in its contempt and loathing for people of color.” No stereotype is off-limits. Black women are depicted as mouthy ghetto-dwellers who need a dominant man to cure them of their “attitude.” Asian girls are subservient, obedient, and bred for male pleasure. Latinas are debased by their poverty, thus making them accessible to any man with a few bucks.


Given progressives’ historical role in the civil rights movement, Dines says, it’s absurd that the left would stand up for distributors of such racially offensive material.


It Can Actually Limit Free Speech
Traditionally, what’s drawn liberals to defend hardcore porn is a passion for the First Amendment. But John Kang, a law professor at St. Thomas University in Florida, argues that it’s precisely this commitment to civil liberties that should motivate liberals to crack down on distributors.


“It’s fashionable in the contemporary Supreme Court to justify protection of violent hardcore pornography as the ability of men to realize themselves through some artistic format,” Kang says. “But this is nothing but pure, pathological violence against women.”


He echoes Schwartz’s concern that such material can motivate abuse, assault and even rape: “If enough mentally unstable men watch this and want to recreate it, this actually represents a clear and present danger against women”—a constitutional exception to the First Amendment.
Or to put it another way, allowing the freedom of violent expression could suppress the freedom of innocent victims. As Kang wrote in a 2008 paper, this is a case where “the free speech of men silences the free speech of women.”


Of course, it’s unlikely that the White House will be moved to change its position by such a relatively small minority of liberals—especially as it gears up to fight another potential first amendment battle involving the FEC.
But porn opponents on the left, such as Dines, are characterized by their evangelism, and they’re hopeful that the lower the porn industry sinks, the more their message will resonate. In the end, she says, the progressive case against hardcore porn has little to do with the Judeo-Christian views of sexuality espoused by the right.


“Corporate-owned media is designed to legitimize economic inequality,” says Dines. “I would argue porn does the same thing when it comes to sex. You want sex to be fun and meaningful. You want your sexual autonomy to be your own, not some corporation’s.” Spoken like a true liberal.
 

retrospooty

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This is alot like the argument that violent video games cause people to behave violently... Simply not true. Any normal person that plays violent games knows its just a game and has no issues with violence. Mentally unstable people may have issues, because the are mentally unstable. Same with porn and acting out in socially unacceptable ways. Monst men watch porn. most men do not act like ass about it.
 

Sunburn74

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I completely disagree with everyone of those points made by the UW professor. She makes a ton of speculative points but no hard evidence. Anyone can speculate anything to make a point. Where is the proof? Show proof that women dating men who regularly look at porn show greater disatisfaction in their relationships. Show proof that men who look at porn are more inclined towards criminal behavior. Show proof that porn changes men's attitudes towards equality for women. Show some proof.

I would speculate that porn does none of those things and my position is as sturdy as hers (because both are equally speculative).
 

Munky

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Any crackdown on pr0n is even more retarded than that crackdown on booze we tried about 90 years ago.
 

FelixDeCat

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Porn is destructive and is ruining America. I remember what life was like before it became ubiquitious with the explosion of online crap starting around 1996.

Things were much better then because everyone around you didnt have easy access to perverted crap that made them nothing more than dirty wankers.
 

Craig234

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Porn is destructive and is ruining America. I remember what life was like before it became ubiquitious with the explosion of online crap starting around 1996.

Things were much better then because everyone around you didnt have easy access to perverted crap that made them nothing more than dirty wankers.

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woolfe9999

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Porn is destructive and is ruining America. I remember what life was like before it became ubiquitious with the explosion of online crap starting around 1996.

Things were much better then because everyone around you didnt have easy access to perverted crap that made them nothing more than dirty wankers.

Out of curiosity, in what specific ways were "things better" prior to the increased availability of porn online?
 

woolfe9999

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How does porn cause men to be premature? If anything it makes you have unrealistic sexual ideals causing you to last way too long.

I'm not sure about prematurity, but I've read some articles claiming that it may correlate with various forms of ED because the individual isn't receiving the kind of stimuli in real life that they observe in porn.
 

Munky

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The way I see it, there's a demand for it and people are willingly providing a supply. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head about it. All the "abuse" and "racism" claims sound like typical buzz-words spread by feminists.

Of course feminists would do anything to get rid of it, because it fits their agenda of control. Get rid of prostitution, get rid of porn, get rid of mail-order brides, and get rid of anything that would enable a man to escape the mouse-trap "family law" system the feminists worked so hard to create in this country, to escape the obese "real women with curves" waddling down the aisles of Walmart, to escape the false-rape-accusing golddiggers, and to pursue happiness on his own terms.

Feminists have been crying for decades "women don't need men" and gloat whenever men get the short stick in times of recession. But should the men wisen up and find out they don't need the typical western woman, it would be a very bad day for feminists.
 

Murloc

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I think it should be kept under control socially. People can have problems with it, and they should be helped.
But honestly, what % of men have ED because porn overstimulates their brain?
It's too low to justify any action against porn.
Just live and let live.
 
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Out of curiosity, in what specific ways were "things better" prior to the increased availability of porn online?
The original Star Wars trilogy came out before porn was widely available on the internet. The Star Wars prequel trilogy came out after porn was widely availble on the internet. So there's that. Porn raped Star Wars.
 

woolfe9999

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The way I see it, there's a demand for it and people are willingly providing a supply. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head about it. All the "abuse" and "racism" claims sound like typical buzz-words spread by feminists.

Of course feminists would do anything to get rid of it, because it fits their agenda of control. Get rid of prostitution, get rid of porn, get rid of mail-order brides, and get rid of anything that would enable a man to escape the mouse-trap "family law" system the feminists worked so hard to create in this country, to escape the obese "real women with curves" waddling down the aisles of Walmart, to escape the false-rape-accusing golddiggers, and to pursue happiness on his own terms.

Feminists have been crying for decades "women don't need men" and gloat whenever men get the short stick in times of recession. But should the men wisen up and find out they don't need the typical western woman, it would be a very bad day for feminists.

Yeah, but it isn't just the feminists. Far and away the larger group who want the industry prosecuted under obscenities laws are evangelicals. Among the anti-porn feminists, many do not even advocate censorship. They just want to raise awareness about it.
 

woolfe9999

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The original Star Wars trilogy came out before porn was widely available on the internet. The Star Wars prequel trilogy came out after porn was widely availble on the internet. So there's that. Porn raped Star Wars.

Gas prices were lower too. Damn porn is costing us a fortune.
 

Ninjahedge

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And minors couldnt sext each other either. I miss the days of technological innocence. ():)

You didn't read the bathroom wall, now did ya?


BTW, although I am not a 70's swinger, I still remember having to use the pay phone to get a ride home... :eek:
 

gingermeggs

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It's not only the religious, Liberals used to be at the forefront when it came to banning pornography and some still are,

what happened is they painted themselves into an ideological corner because they opposed pornography but didn't want appear to do so since they didn't want to be labeled themselves as censors or look like they were agreeing with the conservative religious types,

therefore ceding the battle to the religious organizations.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ls-who-want-adult-obscenity-fought.print.html

Terrible they would stop you' being able to watch young lesbian girl porn!
Heavens forbid!