is OWS more violent than the TPM?

[wuliheron]

You obviously haven't watched it, 3 protesters "got hit" by a car by running and jumping in front of it. The woman that put her little kids in a wagon and then placed it in front of a door that the protesters we trying to push into went far beyond your pretend outrages.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Gandhi

 

[MagickMan]

My true colors are red, white, and blue fool. "Every generation needs a new revolution." Thomas Jefferson

OWS is right to start out with trying to create a peaceful protest movement, but with so much public support behind them if it doesn't lead to results and the pigs keep fighting dirty it could turn ugly fast and I'll be cheering them on.

Of course you will, you make a good cheerleader. Why don't you go out and join them, or is it getting to cold for you?

The "pigs" haven't been fighting dirty, the only nasty bastards are the ones on the OWS side destroying stores and private property. Your disdain for anyone in authority just marks you as another anarchist idiot, and you probably won't be happy until police and emergency responders are openly attacked while trying to uphold the laws or help the injured.

 

[monovillage]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."



I do not see anything about a time limit (or the need to ask "permission" but that is another discussion).

When you break the Law, you have disturbed the peace. The 1st Amendment doesn't give any protesters the Right to break any law they choose. It never has and it never will. It's a ridiculous argument that protesters are somehow immune to the laws the rest of the citizens have to live by.

 

[Craig234]

When you break the Law, you have disturbed the peace. The 1st Amendment doesn't give any protesters the Right to break any law they choose. It never has and it never will. It's a ridiculous argument that protesters are somehow immune to the laws the rest of the citizens have to live by.

It's not ridiculous to point out that the government's power to use curfew, permitting, and other restrictions can be abused and violate the free speech and gathering rights.

 

[MagickMan]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."



I do not see anything about a time limit (or the need to ask "permission" but that is another discussion).

So, I guess the KKK can go sit in front of black churches or ACLU offices, saying whatever hateful things they want, at any time of the day or night? Hell, they can just block the sidewalk and not even let anyone in or out. They have freedom of speech, why should it be abridged?

When I fly to Boston next month I'll just loudly read the Koran and excerpts from the Anarchist's Cookbook on bomb making. I have free speech, right?

 

[Bowfinger]

My true colors are red, white, and blue fool. "Every generation needs a new revolution." Thomas Jefferson

OWS is right to start out with trying to create a peaceful protest movement, but with so much public support behind them if it doesn't lead to results and the pigs keep fighting dirty it could turn ugly fast and I'll be cheering them on.

Pigs? Cheering for violence? Really? The 60's called. They want their juvenile cliches back.

That sort of rhetoric only hurts OWS. The police are not the enemy. Just like our soldiers, no matter how much you disagree with the mission, you're talking about human beings who are just trying to do their jobs and support their families. Are there some bad cops who've abused protestors? Absolutely. There are also bad OWS protestors who've engaged in vandalism and violence. It is unreasonable to tar either side due to the actions of a few bad apples. They are acts of individuals. In both cases, those individuals need to be dealt with.

 

[cwjerome]

My true colors are red, white, and blue fool. "Every generation needs a new revolution." Thomas Jefferson

OWS is right to start out with trying to create a peaceful protest movement, but with so much public support behind them if it doesn't lead to results and the pigs keep fighting dirty it could turn ugly fast and I'll be cheering them on.

1. I doubt using terms like "pigs" will help lead to results.

2. It's good to know that as a devoted supporter of the OWS movement you'll be cheering them on if it gets violent from the comfort of your chair as you sit behind the computer. That takes balls man.

 

[wuliheron]

Of course you will, you make a good cheerleader. Why don't you go out and join them, or is it getting to cold for you?

The "pigs" haven't been fighting dirty, the only nasty bastards are the ones on the OWS side destroying stores and private property. Your disdain for anyone in authority just marks you as another anarchist idiot, and you probably won't be happy until police and emergency responders are openly attacked while trying to uphold the laws or help the injured.

I'm a military brat from a long line of military brats and served my country. These were pigs who shot one of ours. These were pigs who sprayed pepper spray into the faces of helpless women behind a fence. These were pigs who sprayed pepper spray into the faces of peaceful protesters sitting on the ground. Real authority comes from respect and they deserve none.

 

[MagickMan]

1. I doubt using terms like "pigs" will help lead to results.

2. It's good to know that as a devoted supporter of the OWS movement you'll be cheering them on if it gets violent from the comfort of your chair as you sit behind the computer. That takes balls man.

WTF? You expect him to go out and possibly get hurt? Plus, it's cold up there and he might have to share a tent with a rapist or a homeless guy. D:

 

[wuliheron]

Pigs? Cheering for violence? Really? The 60's called. They want their juvenile cliches back.

That sort of rhetoric only hurts OWS. The police are not the enemy. Just like our soldiers, no matter how much you disagree with the mission, you're talking about human beings who are just trying to do their jobs and support their families. Are there some bad cops who've abused protestors? Absolutely. There are also bad OWS protestors who've engaged in vandalism and violence. It is unreasonable to tar either side due to the actions of a few bad apples. They are acts of individuals. In both cases, those individuals need to be dealt with.

Any police who support the pigs who did these things deserve to be lumped right in with them and declared persona non grata. The mayors who have chosen to ignore the overwhelming public support these people have and choose to attack them in such vile manners deserves to be lumped right in with them.

 

[MagickMan]

I'm a military brat from a long line of military brats and served my country. These were pigs who shot one of ours. These were pigs who sprayed pepper spray into the faces of helpless women behind a fence. These were pigs who sprayed pepper spray into the faces of peaceful protesters sitting on the ground. Real authority comes from respect and they deserve none.

Yeah... one guy hits someone with a smoke cannister, and it was probably accidental, so you paint all of them with a broad brush? Hell, one of them may be bad, so they're all bad, right? Are you even listening to yourself? You're worse than the "1%" you're protesting. Check your snout in the mirror, you're the pig that you're warning others about. D:

 

[wuliheron]

WTF? You expect him to go out and possibly get hurt? Plus, it's cold up there and he might have to share a tent with a rapist or a homeless guy. D:

Ya'll sound like the playground bully with that trash mouth. One good punch in the nose is probably enough to send you running home to mama. Oh, but you probably still live with mama don't you?

 

[wuliheron]

Yeah... one guy hits someone with a smoke cannister, and it was probably accidental, so you paint all of them with a broad brush? Hell, one of them may be bad, so they're all bad, right? Are you even listening to yourself? You're worse than the "1%" you're protesting. Check your snout in the mirror, you're the pig that you're warning others about. D:

You watch all the videos, listen to all the testimonies, and then tell me its just one incident. These aren't just long haired hippies and the unemployed either, they are middle class moms, professionals, and military personal.

 

[MagickMan]

Ya'll sound like the playground bully with that trash mouth. One good punch in the nose is probably enough to send you running home to mama. Oh, but you probably still live with mama don't you?

Oooooh, I struck a nerve there piggy? U mad? :biggrin:

I have a wife and a house, some things you can have one day if you get a job and quit bitching about what the "1%" is doing to you.

Oink, oink?

 

[MagickMan]

You watch all the videos, listen to all the testimonies, and then tell me its just one incident. These aren't just long haired hippies and the unemployed either, they are middle class moms, professionals, and military personal.

I have watched them, the police have been extremely patient, given the circumstances. However, you break the law, they take you in. You resist arrest after you've broken the law, they may pepper spray you to get you to the jail. You start a riot, they may shoot tear gas to keep you from destroying property or disturbing the peace.

See, there are these things we have called laws, and those laws are there so everyone can live together. When a person or group constantly violates those laws, the police come in and issue citations or take the offenders into custody. You can protest without breaking laws, you can get permits to be in places where others often spend time. However, you can't expect to squat in those places forever, because others may want to use those places too, like for baseball games, or concerts, or whatever. Just because you have a grievance doesn't mean your rights are more important than someone else's. We all have to learn to peacefully coexist, and if you can't do that, then the Five-O will probably come after your ass.

So, learn to live together, and don't be a selfish pig. :thumbsup:

 

[cwjerome]

Ya'll sound like the playground bully with that trash mouth. One good punch in the nose is probably enough to send you running home to mama. Oh, but you probably still live with mama don't you?

The OSW keyboard warrior displays his wit. Impressive. All this talk of police pigs and playground bullies and such... makes one wonder about your growing up years, ya know? Maybe some pent up frustration against power or authority from your tormented youth. Perhaps if you go smash a window or two and spray paint an A with a circle around it'll be cathartic.

Oh wait, you're the self admitted cheerleader... better to leave the action to others.

 

[Double Trouble]

That bank has a million cameras and not a single video shows the protesters getting unruly.

Irrelevant. It was private property and they were asked to leave. If they refuse to do so, they should get arrested. I take a lot of the reports with a grain of salt since there are always bound to be some troublemakers in any group, but there's no doubt in my mind the OWS folks are more likely to be violent than the tea party.

 

[Double Trouble]

Scarier then having your constitutional rights suspended indefinitely? Scarier then the banks being too big to fail and the bankers too big to jail? Scarier then cops pepper spraying peaceful protesters while they sit on the ground? In case you haven't noticed its been no holds barred for years now.

You seem to be detached from reality. If someone is somewhere they are not lawfully allowed to be, and they refuse to leave, then pepper spray is perfectly fine. If people are protesting peacefully and following laws, then no police action is required or warranted.

 

[Double Trouble]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."



I do not see anything about a time limit (or the need to ask "permission" but that is another discussion).

Interesting, do you see anything in there indicating exactly where they are to be able to assemble peaceably? How about in your house, would that be OK? No, it wouldn't. There are laws that govern where you can assemble and if permits are needed. If you don't like them, fight the laws in court, but if people are somewhere where they are not legally allowed to be, they have no basis for whining when they get removed by force.

 

[wuliheron]

I have watched them, the police have been extremely patient, given the circumstances. However, you break the law, they take you in. You resist arrest after you've broken the law, they may pepper spray you to get you to the jail. You start a riot, they may shoot tear gas to keep you from destroying property or disturbing the peace.

See, there are these things we have called laws, and those laws are there so everyone can live together. When a person or group constantly violates those laws, the police come in and issue citations or take the offenders into custody. You can protest without breaking laws, you can get permits to be in places where others often spend time. However, you can't expect to squat in those places forever, because others may want to use those places too, like for baseball games, or concerts, or whatever. Just because you have a grievance doesn't mean your rights are more important than someone else's. We all have to learn to peacefully coexist, and if you can't do that, then the Five-O will probably come after your ass.

So, learn to live together, and don't be a selfish pig. :thumbsup:

What a looser. I think I was right, you do still live at home with your mama and that's why you spend so much time on the internet talking trash.

 

[wuliheron]

You seem to be detached from reality. If someone is somewhere they are not lawfully allowed to be, and they refuse to leave, then pepper spray is perfectly fine. If people are protesting peacefully and following laws, then no police action is required or warranted.

Women who have already been detained behind a fence and aren't doing anything don't need to be pepper sprayed by a ranking officer just for fun. People sitting on the ground peacefully and putting their hands behind their backs so they can be arrested don't need to be pepper sprayed. Any asshole that tells you otherwise needs to be pepper sprayed.

 

[MagickMan]

What a looser. I think I was right, you do still live at home with your mama and that's why you spend so much time on the internet talking trash.

"Looser"? Language English you speak much?

Actually, I'm on sabbatical doing some writing. I can post here and do my work too, it's called multitasking. I'm good at it.

Oink, oink.

 

[MagickMan]

Women who have already been detained behind a fence and aren't doing anything don't need to be pepper sprayed by a ranking officer just for fun. People sitting on the ground peacefully and putting their hands behind their backs so they can be arrested don't need to be pepper sprayed. Any asshole that tells you otherwise needs to be pepper sprayed.

We want to see proof of that.

 

[cubby1223]

We want to see proof of that.

Don't encourage him.

He has a bug up his ass. Everyone knows he's full of shit, best this thread just die out.

 

[monovillage]

It's not ridiculous to point out that the government's power to use curfew, permitting, and other restrictions can be abused and violate the free speech and gathering rights.

I agree 100%, also the security costs and insurance costs the local governments often levy. Far different though from blocking traffic, living in a public park, throwing objects at people, breaking windows, putting children in peril and many of the crimes that they are committing. Protesting does not make anyone immune from being arrested and prosecuted for breaking the law.