Is Obama in for 2012?

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Noobtastic

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Many people I know say Obama has over-promised and under-delivered as far as campaign pledges go. Obama's foreign policy isn't bearing fruits, the status of the economy is nowhere near the predictions made in 2009, and the latest HC reform package is not even close to what was promised.

Assuming Sarah Palin or some other idiot doesn't get the nomination, will Obama be a one-term president?

I'm sure this thread has been done before but I can't find it in search.
 
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ShawnD1

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Depends on what the republicans are doing and how the economy is doing.

If the republicans can find a leader who isn't completely retarded, they have a good chance at winning.
If the economy is doing well, the republicans might have a better chance of winning.

Socialism seems to be more popular when the economy is down. A republican "bootstraps" policy would be incredibly unpopular if there's still a 17% unemployment rate in 2012. (link)
 
JEDIYoda

JEDIYoda

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IHateViruses said:
Many people I know say Obama has over-promised and under-delivered as far as campaign pledges go. Obama's foreign policy isn't bearing fruits, the status of the economy is nowhere near the predictions made in 2009, and the latest HC reform package is not even close to what was promised.

Assuming Sarah Palin or some other idiot doesn't get the nomination, will Obama be a one-term president?

I'm sure this thread has been done before but I can't find it in search.
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You don`t what your talking about!!

Obama has already said that he sees himself as a 1 term president!

Regardless of your foolish reasons!
 
pcgeek11

pcgeek11

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Jun 12, 2005
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I would personally like to see him leave today. Why wait for 2012.

He has already screwed the US in a little over a year more than all the other presidents combined.

I thought Carter was stupid! God I'd love to have him back over Obama.

Only a Messiah would sacrifice himself for country that way.
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Messiah my @ss!
 
ProfJohn

ProfJohn

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Jul 28, 2006
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It all comes down to the unemployment number.

In recent history any President with an unemployment rate over 7% on election day has lost.

For Obama the number is probably 8% since he started in such a big hole. But he has a LOT of work to do in order to get to 8%.

People who don't have a job really aren't going to care about their free healthcare or just about anything else Obama does between now and then.
 
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cubby1223

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May 24, 2004
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Long time between now and the 2012 elections. Republicans have bet their futures on opposing Obama's current agenda. We have to get past the 2010 elections first, see what gains the Republicans make in congress.

Also have to see what happens with Obamacare, if it gets ruled unconstitutional, if it gets repealed, if it explodes the debt, or if it ends up being Obama's gift to mankind. Personally I think the bill is creating standards / rules that will be impossible for private business to meet, making it just a snap of the finger for the next fully democratically controlled government to move over to a single payer system, regardless of the fact I don't believe government can meet the standards Obama wants either...

Too many questions, no point guessing at the 2012 election. And who knows, maybe in 2012 Iran will surrender ensuring a victory for Obama. Or, in 2012 Iran successfully tests their first nuclear bomb ensuring a loss for Obama no matter what state the economy is in, no matter if the Republicans even go with a Palin / Bachmann ticket ;) Seriously, that would be the hottest ticket we would ever see in this country :D
 
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Siddhartha

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I voted yes because:

1. The economy and unemployment will have turned around by 2012. Those will be the main drivers in the election. Counter what his critics have said, Mr Obama has won every important political battle he has chosen. Considering the state of the economy, and actually the country, he inherited, any non partisan evaluation of his performance so far would have to give him at least a B on a scale of A to E. I give him an A- because the US and the world in not in a 1930's type Depression, the US is not in another war, he has plans to get out of the GWB wars.

2. The current GOP strategy of obstruction, hyperbole, and being the party of Tea Party, FOX News, Mr Limbaugh et al will bite them in the ass. How many people want FOX News and Limbaugh to be driving forces in how the US is governed? Where were the GOP fiscal conservatives and Tea Partiers during the GWB adminstration?

3. What does the GOP have to offer? AFAIK, Ronald Reagan version III and George W Bush version II. Tax cuts which benefit the wealthiest, neocon foreign policies, the Southern Strategy, increased deregulation, and domestic policies that bow to the Religious Right.
How many people want to go back to that?

4. Who will be the GOP nominee for 2012 POTUS? Ms Palin, Mr Huckabee, Mr Gingrich, recommend someone. Without a bad economy to run against what do they offer?
 
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xj0hnx

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Siddhartha said:
2. The current GOP strategy of obstruction, hyperbole, and being the party of Tea Party, FOX News, Mr Limbaugh et al will bite them in the ass. How many people want FOX News and Limbaugh to be driving forces in how the US is governed? Where were the GOP fiscal conservatives and Tea Partiers during the GWB adminstration?
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Indeed.
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The Tea Party protest started in 2009 with Bush, protesting TARP, and the Stimulus, and grew from groups that were already pissed about war spending but I wouldn't expect a couple partisan hacks to realize that.
 
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DesiPower

DesiPower

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I always favor incumbents. Its a divine fact that all politicians are douche and these days it costs a lot to get elected so when the new guy comes in, he brings a new wave of corruption and causes more damage. I feel sorry for ppl who still believe that the next politician will come in do something good for them... I mean, Alice in wonder dream is a more realistic one. So let this douche stay for the full 8 years and eventually when we have have to have a new a$$, at that time it might make a little bit sense to debate.
 
IndyColtsFan

IndyColtsFan

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Way too early to tell. Keep in mind that with 18 months until the '92 election, Bush 41 had approval ratings in the high 80s/low 90s, and we saw what happened there.
 
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Jhhnn

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xj0hnx said:
The Tea Party protest started in 2007 with Bush, protesting TARP, and the Stimulus, but I wouldn't expect a couple partisan hacks to realize that.
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You'll need some references for that, given that the bailout didn't occur until 2008...

Affected banks really should have been nationalized, restructured, and resold, but we all know that wasn't going to happen with W in the Whitehouse in an election year. Admissions of failure are unheard of on the Right. It's more about creating illlusions of normalcy, something they've done for the last 30 years while robbing the country blind...
 
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heyheybooboo

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xj0hnx said:
The Tea Party protest started in 2007 with Bush, protesting TARP, and the Stimulus, but I wouldn't expect a couple partisan hacks to realize that.
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LOL

Revise history, much ?

Maybe you do have a future with FreedomWorks and the GOP. The LP was sucker-punched and too stoned to realize it :D





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Jhhnn

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ShawnD1 said:
The left does this too. It just seems like they don't because they're right a bit more often ;)
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Recent Dem failures have been a little less spectacular than overheating the economy only to crash it, going to war on false pretenses, and reaching for a third world distribution of income...

I suppose those really weren't failures at all, viewed from the perspective of the rightwing lootocracy...
 
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Genx87

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"It's the economy stupid" -James Carville

Not a fan of his politics but not many wiser words have been spoken when it comes to politics in this country.
 
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Genx87

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Siddhartha said:
I voted yes because:

1. The economy and unemployment will have turned around by 2012. Those will be the main drivers in the election. Counter what his critics have said, Mr Obama has won every important political battle he has chosen. Considering the state of the economy, and actually the country, he inherited, any non partisan evaluation of his performance so far would have to give him at least a B on a scale of A to E. I give him an A- because the US and the world in not in a 1930's type Depression, the US is not in another war, he has plans to get out of the GWB wars.

2. The current GOP strategy of obstruction, hyperbole, and being the party of Tea Party, FOX News, Mr Limbaugh et al will bite them in the ass. How many people want FOX News and Limbaugh to be driving forces in how the US is governed? Where were the GOP fiscal conservatives and Tea Partiers during the GWB adminstration?

3. What does the GOP have to offer? AFAIK, Ronald Reagan version III and George W Bush version II. Tax cuts which benefit the wealthiest, neocon foreign policies, the Southern Strategy, increased deregulation, and domestic policies that bow to the Religious Right.
How many people want to go back to that?

4. Who will be the GOP nominee for 2012 POTUS? Ms Palin, Mr Huckabee, Mr Gingrich, recommend someone. Without a bad economy to run against what do they offer?
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I think the obstructionism only bothers liberals at this point. Mainstream America is fine with a gridlocked DC. When DC gets going on something it is mainstream America who takes it in the shorts.

That said I never understood why Republican obstructionism equals democrat benefit while Democrat obstructionism equals democrat benefit. Seems unlikely democrats can never lose in this scenario.
 
xj0hnx

xj0hnx

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heyheybooboo said:
LOL

Revise history, much ?

Maybe you do have a future with FreedomWorks and the GOP. The LP was sucker-punched and too stoned to realize it :D





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Nothing is revised except your moronic view of things. The Tea Party protest didn't start when the neocons co-opted them, they grew from groups that were already weary of the war spending, and Bush's Stimulus Plan put things in motion. Palin and the rest of the neocons jumped on board later.

Edit date above to correspond to first protest, it was 6AM, no coffee, but the fact remains that they started before Obama, and grew from the same grassroots groups that were protesting Bush's war spending, and later the bailouts, and TARP.
 
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