Is Nvidia coming out with any mid-range Fermi cards soon?

[XX55XX]

Currently, I have a 2 year old 8800GT in my rig. I am interested in upgrading my graphics card. Granted, my rig is a very, very tight fit (it's a micro-ATX case) so putting something like even a GTX 470 in there is out of the question, due to heat and space constraints.

I am hoping to buy a Fermi card which might offer 1.5x-2x the performance of my current 8800GT in a similar power envelope (my 8800GT has a TDP of 105W). Is there any specified timeframe on when these mid-range cards will be out?

If it weren't for PhysX, I'd go out right now buy a 5770, but I will be patient if Nvidia has some midrange cards up its sleeve...

 

[Daedalus685]

The 460 would be the first "midrange" card. Perhaps some may call the 465 midrange as well but it will be a LOT more than a 5770 (perform better as well though). At any rate expect the 465 in a month and the 460 in 2 or 3.

 

[Genx87]

Ha no, not at all

June 2nd will be the first intro of what would be considered a high mid level card.
MSRP is rep[ortedly 279 but I have also seen 249. So I guess we will have to wait and see.

 

[nemesismk2]

The 465 looks interesting but I will wait to see what price it is. Maybe it will compete against the Radeon 5830 which would be good.

 

[Phynaz]

Just get 5770.

 

[OCGuy]

Grab the 460/465 and call it a day.

 

[Grooveriding]

465 is looking to be a terrible buy, same price as a 5850, less performance. If you are willing to spend that $ amount, get a 5850.

 

[Genx87]

465 is looking to be a terrible buy, same price as a 5850, less performance. If you are willing to spend that $ amount, get a 5850.

Depends on which resolution you are playing and what the costs are. The preview showed that in 1080p and below it is quite competitive with the 5850. I think the preview overall was interesting for people who play at 1080p or lower(majority of gamers). The 470 and 480 are very compelling products compared to the 5850 and 5870.

 

[Grooveriding]

Depends on which resolution you are playing and what the costs are. The preview showed that in 1080p and below it is quite competitive with the 5850. I think the preview overall was interesting for people who play at 1080p or lower(majority of gamers). The 470 and 480 are very compelling products compared to the 5850 and 5870.

I see the review showing the 5850 and 470 comparable in performance, but we all know already that 5850 and 470 are basically a wash.

But what I do see here is the 465 being slower than the 5850 and the 470 by a good margin.

If the card was $200, maybe it would be worth it, maybe.

 

[taltamir]

nvidia worked hard, for years, to drive prices up for video cards... at their high points companies could get away with selling a single GPU video card for 800$ (with the standard design at an MSRP of 600$)

then AMD got them into a pointless (for both companies; but I enjoyed it ) price war, where AMD dropped the prices tons to the point where there was no reason to buy nvidia, and then nvidia dropping their prices so that AMD is 5$ cheaper (banking on people willing to pay a few bucks extra for the nvidia name, drivers, and maybe cuda etc).

That hurt AMD more then it did nvidia, since nvidia was making higher margins to begin with.

AMD seems to have learned from it this time around and has been pricing its newer models higher, also it and nvidia are content to release cards that slot between one another but not directly compete (some have even accused the two of collusion and price fixing... which is possible, but not necessarily the case).

Expect prices to go up and older models to be discontinued with equivalent performance replacements costing more or simply not being offered. Eventually prices will go back down for really old card (as they become obsolete), but in the short term there are no worthy upgrades.

 

[yh125d]

You're not gonna get 1.5-2x 8800GT performance at the same TDP from nvidia this gen

 

[MrK6]

I didn't see anyone mention the GF104, so I'll throw it out there. Supposedly half a GF100 with a lot of the "GPGPU fat" cut out. Specs are supposedly 256 shaders, 8 multiprocessor cores, 256-bit memory bus, and ~130W TDP. It also supposedly clocks decently. Seeing how much the GTX465 already sucks at high resolutions, I don't place much faith in the card, but maybe they'll tweak it to perform better, who knows.

 

[taltamir]

I didn't see anyone mention the GF104, so I'll throw it out there. Supposedly half a GF100 with a lot of the "GPGPU fat" cut out. Specs are supposedly 256 shaders, 8 multiprocessor cores, 256-bit memory bus, and ~130W TDP. It also supposedly clocks decently. Seeing how much the GTX465 already sucks at high resolutions, I don't place much faith in the card, but maybe they'll tweak it to perform better, who knows.

Rumors couldn't even decide which card was which and actually suggested it will drop CUDA (preposterous!)... It would be nice if that is what it ends up being, but I would reserve judgement until we have something more official about it.

 

[Daedalus685]

I can't wait for the naming schemes if the gf104 based '460' ends up faster than the 465....

There have been rumors of the 470 being canned for various reasons (some as perposterous as any rumour).. but maybe it is because the gf104 will be named GTX470! lol

 

[happy medium]

1.5 to 2x the performance of a 8800gt will be the gtx 460/465. Just wait a week for the gtx 465 reviews with the official 256 drivers and that will tell you about how fast the gts 460 will be and how much it will cost.
2x 8800gt performance in modern games is about gtx 275 levels which is about 5830 levels for ATI.
My bet is a gts 460 will be about 5830 performance and gtx 465 somewhere in between a 5830 and 5850 when the final drivers are released.

 

[taltamir]

I can't wait for the naming schemes if the gf104 based '460' ends up faster than the 465....

There have been rumors of the 470 being canned for various reasons (some as perposterous as any rumour).. but maybe it is because the gf104 will be named GTX470! lol

I am not buying those rumors... The GTX 480, 470 and 465 are all die harvested parts of the same die (there is no product sold with a completely functional die! kinda like the PS3 cell processor... ouch)
The only plausible reason to can the 470 is if yields have improved enough so that they require less die harvesting... however, the 465 is proof that they haven't, as it is even more severely damaged die than even the 470.

 

[Lonyo]

I am not buying those rumors... The GTX 480, 470 and 465 are all die harvested parts of the same die (there is no product sold with a completely functional die! kinda like the PS3 cell processor... ouch)
The only plausible reason to can the 470 is if yields have improved enough so that they require less die harvesting... however, the 465 is proof that they haven't, as it is even more severely damaged die than even the 470.

The GTX465 is about as cut down as the HD5830 (~70% of functional units).
So that would mean that HD58xx yields haven't improved much, since they are having to do the same % harvesting.

 

[taltamir]

The GTX465 is about as cut down as the HD5830 (~70% of functional units).
So that would mean that HD58xx yields haven't improved much, since they are having to do the same % harvesting.

so? I didn't say AMD doesn't share the problem... they obviously would since both use the same TSMC process

my point was that there is absolutely no reason to eliminate a die harvested part that isn't the "lowest end" die harvested part. Doing so is just flushing money down the toilet.
the 465 will be discontinued first (at some arbitrary future date), then the GTX470, then the 480.

 

[Genx87]

I see the review showing the 5850 and 470 comparable in performance, but we all know already that 5850 and 470 are basically a wash.

But what I do see here is the 465 being slower than the 5850 and the 470 by a good margin.

If the card was $200, maybe it would be worth it, maybe.

Congrats on cherry picking the one benchmark that shows all of the cards in a shitty light.

Since we are going to play that game

Clearly the 5870 is an overpriced piece of junk!

 

[taltamir]

Am I missing something, or is the GTX480 the first GPU to get playable performance in Crysis under 1920x1080 resolution?

Happy day... how many years has it been since that hog of a game debuted?

 

[cbn]

I didn't see anyone mention the GF104, so I'll throw it out there. Supposedly half a GF100 with a lot of the "GPGPU fat" cut out. Specs are supposedly 256 shaders, 8 multiprocessor cores, 256-bit memory bus, and ~130W TDP. It also supposedly clocks decently. Seeing how much the GTX465 already sucks at high resolutions, I don't place much faith in the card, but maybe they'll tweak it to perform better, who knows.

Are you saying this because you suspect the fillrate will also be halved?