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I believe it was in the 5xxx series nvida got busted using a optimized driver that rendered only what you saw on screen and in doing so no other card could come close to what it was doing in terms of scores.
But I mention this because I own a Ati 1900gt and a 8800GT oc. And in just testing them on say 3dmark 2005 there are spots that has me going hmmmmm.
One spot iis in the very beginning, when they do a pan shot coming back from the water tower, you know the one that falls on the guy in the end. As it is panning back along the line of fire my 8800gt oc was showing 40+ FPS, but anyone with an eye can tell that is bs because it is very jittery as if it is doing less then 20, not smooth frame rate at all.
The other one that caught my eye was the flying light butterfly. When it was going through the trees I was seeing over 30fps, but it to was very jittery, in spots, and then when the camera would back up would do over 80fps.
These are the two that caught my eye and decided to test my old X1900GT card on the new system I built. OH BTW its a DFI Lanparty CF Mobo, E6600 at stock, and 3 gigs of DDR667 @ 800, running stock sound card.
The interesting thing is, my old card in the same jittery spots, showed the same "look" but sowed what I felt was scores to be true, the pan back in the fight, showed 21fps, and it looked like it, not as the 8800gt was reporting 40 but looked as the same as my 1900GT.
The Butterfly light, same deal, it got slow in the same spots but was showing a much lower FPS compared to the 8800gt, but you can tell the 8800gt was saying it was faster, but the slow motion picture frame smoothness told a different story as far as the fps was being shown on the screen. And my X1900gt supported what I was seeing, it showed low FPS, looked like thoes fps on the screen.
There were other parts thoughout the tests in 2005 and even 2001 that got me thinking that what it said it was reporting to me as FPS were nto what I was seeing with my own eye. And then seeing the X1900GT show what to me to be the same visual jitterness at the same points, I mean they looked identical, there was no way to go the GT was slower showing the slideshow for it was just as slow as the 8800 gt, just showed what I have to say was the correct FSP it was getting.
Im not a fan of either, just my money, and I hate to be duped into something that is reporting its a kick ass card when it may be cheating to show those figures. I mean lets face it andthing really over say 40fps your eye wont be able to tell so if the 8800gt is over that, it can put out numbers anywhere it liked if the driver was detecting what you were running it on to boost the fps numbers for you have no way of going, BS, thats not 150fps, its 55.
Then you got about every review out there with the author going "I cannot believe a card this type, running slower, not using near as much power as the rest, can go so fast, it boggles the mind."
I have to admit I was caught up with the reviews I read on it, going wow, $250 card smoking a 8800GTS 640MB one clocked much higher, and sucks up a tn more power. But after what I saw in my own tests, I have began to go wtf, something isnt right.
I have a ATI HD3870 card coming soon as well to see if in the same spots, running the same driver as my old X1900GT, are going to "look" the same way as the gt and 8800 did.
I would also like to know if anyone else can do the same tests. If so I will run it again and post where to look for slow down vs the fps being shown on the screen. If the drivers are cheating, and when it is actually doing 45fps in spots, and the drivers make it show 100+, of course its going to be able to post higher scores, or maybe its doing liek the old 5xxx sets were doing and not rendering everything on the screen, just what you will see to boost the numbers again, just got better at hiding that kind of code to be seen by the normal Joe. But I know what I been seeing between them. i have owned a ton of old hardware to notice slow down when I see it to go back into the options to maximize smooth game play, and in those same sports between the 2 cards, one is lying for what I can see.
Spots to look at if you have means to test between a 8800gt, and say a 8800gts 640, or 2900xt, or even a 3870, would be, just for starters, the opening parts of 3dmark 2005. Right before the hatch is open pay close attention to how smooth everything is going, vs the FPS being shown, and a dead give away is when the chain gun is being fired and they pan down the firing line from the water tower back, watch it to be sure it runs smooth, not a dit dit dit semi smooth, if it is running at 40+fps there shouldnt be any dit dit dit in the visuals.
Also try looking at the butterfly light part for any times it doesnt look to be running smooth, notice the fps it is showing, then test it with another card, and look for the same kind of visual jittery. The human eye only picks up on this jitter when fps start to dip around 20ps. Anything really over that to the eye and it looks like one smooth fluid motion. And if the cards are showing 24fps+, then there shouldnt be any jittery anything noticed at all.
Anyway, thats it. Will see when the new HD3870 shows up if it shows a fluid motion during those parts I saw the "problems" at and report back. If anyone else tries to test the card against another PLEASE report what you see.
Link from 3dmark back in 2003 finding Nvida cheating.
But I mention this because I own a Ati 1900gt and a 8800GT oc. And in just testing them on say 3dmark 2005 there are spots that has me going hmmmmm.
One spot iis in the very beginning, when they do a pan shot coming back from the water tower, you know the one that falls on the guy in the end. As it is panning back along the line of fire my 8800gt oc was showing 40+ FPS, but anyone with an eye can tell that is bs because it is very jittery as if it is doing less then 20, not smooth frame rate at all.
The other one that caught my eye was the flying light butterfly. When it was going through the trees I was seeing over 30fps, but it to was very jittery, in spots, and then when the camera would back up would do over 80fps.
These are the two that caught my eye and decided to test my old X1900GT card on the new system I built. OH BTW its a DFI Lanparty CF Mobo, E6600 at stock, and 3 gigs of DDR667 @ 800, running stock sound card.
The interesting thing is, my old card in the same jittery spots, showed the same "look" but sowed what I felt was scores to be true, the pan back in the fight, showed 21fps, and it looked like it, not as the 8800gt was reporting 40 but looked as the same as my 1900GT.
The Butterfly light, same deal, it got slow in the same spots but was showing a much lower FPS compared to the 8800gt, but you can tell the 8800gt was saying it was faster, but the slow motion picture frame smoothness told a different story as far as the fps was being shown on the screen. And my X1900gt supported what I was seeing, it showed low FPS, looked like thoes fps on the screen.
There were other parts thoughout the tests in 2005 and even 2001 that got me thinking that what it said it was reporting to me as FPS were nto what I was seeing with my own eye. And then seeing the X1900GT show what to me to be the same visual jitterness at the same points, I mean they looked identical, there was no way to go the GT was slower showing the slideshow for it was just as slow as the 8800 gt, just showed what I have to say was the correct FSP it was getting.
Im not a fan of either, just my money, and I hate to be duped into something that is reporting its a kick ass card when it may be cheating to show those figures. I mean lets face it andthing really over say 40fps your eye wont be able to tell so if the 8800gt is over that, it can put out numbers anywhere it liked if the driver was detecting what you were running it on to boost the fps numbers for you have no way of going, BS, thats not 150fps, its 55.
Then you got about every review out there with the author going "I cannot believe a card this type, running slower, not using near as much power as the rest, can go so fast, it boggles the mind."
I have to admit I was caught up with the reviews I read on it, going wow, $250 card smoking a 8800GTS 640MB one clocked much higher, and sucks up a tn more power. But after what I saw in my own tests, I have began to go wtf, something isnt right.
I have a ATI HD3870 card coming soon as well to see if in the same spots, running the same driver as my old X1900GT, are going to "look" the same way as the gt and 8800 did.
I would also like to know if anyone else can do the same tests. If so I will run it again and post where to look for slow down vs the fps being shown on the screen. If the drivers are cheating, and when it is actually doing 45fps in spots, and the drivers make it show 100+, of course its going to be able to post higher scores, or maybe its doing liek the old 5xxx sets were doing and not rendering everything on the screen, just what you will see to boost the numbers again, just got better at hiding that kind of code to be seen by the normal Joe. But I know what I been seeing between them. i have owned a ton of old hardware to notice slow down when I see it to go back into the options to maximize smooth game play, and in those same sports between the 2 cards, one is lying for what I can see.
Spots to look at if you have means to test between a 8800gt, and say a 8800gts 640, or 2900xt, or even a 3870, would be, just for starters, the opening parts of 3dmark 2005. Right before the hatch is open pay close attention to how smooth everything is going, vs the FPS being shown, and a dead give away is when the chain gun is being fired and they pan down the firing line from the water tower back, watch it to be sure it runs smooth, not a dit dit dit semi smooth, if it is running at 40+fps there shouldnt be any dit dit dit in the visuals.
Also try looking at the butterfly light part for any times it doesnt look to be running smooth, notice the fps it is showing, then test it with another card, and look for the same kind of visual jittery. The human eye only picks up on this jitter when fps start to dip around 20ps. Anything really over that to the eye and it looks like one smooth fluid motion. And if the cards are showing 24fps+, then there shouldnt be any jittery anything noticed at all.
Anyway, thats it. Will see when the new HD3870 shows up if it shows a fluid motion during those parts I saw the "problems" at and report back. If anyone else tries to test the card against another PLEASE report what you see.
Link from 3dmark back in 2003 finding Nvida cheating.
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