Is now really the time to clamp down on drilling?

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Chalk up another lie for Obama.. he was for drilling before he was against it.

Do you ever post anything that isnt negative?

I mean seriously... I have never seen you type a single thing that isn't bashing a liberal. Do you have any other interests or points to make at all? Or do you just walk around your whole day muttering anti liberal sentiment under your breath?

 

[winnar111]

It's not like drilling creates jobs. Cheney uses his Sith power to extract oil from the ground.

 

[piasabird]

Drilling does in fact create jobs. People need equipment to drill, people trained to do it and support systems to handle the oil, store it, move it, and refine it. The Government is the problem, not the solution.

It makes more sense to build refineries on the East Coast because that way the pollution will not flow accross the entire United States. Just pick some locations that are depressed where there is no work, like old coal producing areas that are shut down and there are lots of unemployed people who would appreciate a good high-paying oil refinery job.

 

[Nemesis 1]

You guys need to do some excercising in math. Take the world known oil reservers. Say from the 60s and the amount used in 60. From there use whatever the % increase in production is year over year. Tell me your numbers for the future please LOL.

Now do the same with population . LOL . Times up . Its END game , What part of the math lies.

 

[dullard]

I don't get the drilling idea. Auto driving is down. The economy is down - meaning that consumption will likely be down. Crude oil stockpiles are at a 15-year high. Our refineries can't handle much more oil than what we have now. What will drilling do other than use up our precious natural resource when prices are low.

Instead, spend the money to increase refinery capacity. Spend the money so that we are ready to drill when we need to drill (do the construction to build the oil wells and the construction for transportation). But stop there and don't drill until we actually need the oil. When oil is at $1000/barrel in the distant future, I'd be kicking myself that we used up our oil at $35/barrel.

 

[mect]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

If a process doesnt require more engery and resources than what you get out, then im for it.

But you dont want to burn coal to get hydrogen.

Then you're not going to be in favor of many energy sources since all that follow the laws of thermodynamics require more energy than you get out.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: CPA
There's a move afoot to reestablish moratoriums on coastal drilling.

Now is exactly the time to drill - costs for construction have come down, it will help create real jobs and help lessen our need for foreign oil. Yes, it may be less cost-effective for private companies to drill, but Chevron and several mid-sized companies are drilling in new finds in the Gulf. It's not been shut down completely.

This doesn't mean we should or will give up on alternative energy, but we are not going to remove ourselves from oil in the immediate future. If we don't act now, we will be hearing the same complaints 2-5 years from now when oil prices start to rise as a result of our inaction.

the fact is that doing exactly what was suggested--maintaining the air in your tires across the country--will offer just as much energy savings as will destroying yet another wilderness habitat to unearth another archaic and unnecessary oil deposit. And it can happen NOW, unlike 10-30 years from now.
Jobs can be created in alternative energy industries.

I though republicans and rightists were all about "personal responsibility?" Why not get behind an idea like taking care of your own car/truck?

 

[herm0016]

Originally posted by: mect

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

If a process doesnt require more engery and resources than what you get out, then im for it.

But you dont want to burn coal to get hydrogen.

Then you're not going to be in favor of many energy sources since all that follow the laws of thermodynamics require more energy than you get out.

we get more energy out of oil than it takes to produce it. the deal is we dont have to expend more energy than we get like hydrogen, the dinos did it for us.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: dullard
I don't get the drilling idea. Auto driving is down. The economy is down - meaning that consumption will likely be down. Crude oil stockpiles are at a 15-year high. Our refineries can't handle much more oil than what we have now. What will drilling do other than use up our precious natural resource when prices are low.
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I don't think this is about the economics of drilling; the companies aren't gonna drill unless it's profitable. Off shore drilling is very expensive, the 'market' will take care of this issue.

Instead, since gas prices have come down the anti-drilling eco crowd is trying to capitalize on this low-price situation and slip a moritorium in. They could never do so if prices were high.

Fern

 

[mect]

Originally posted by: herm0016

Originally posted by: mect

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

If a process doesnt require more engery and resources than what you get out, then im for it.

But you dont want to burn coal to get hydrogen.

Then you're not going to be in favor of many energy sources since all that follow the laws of thermodynamics require more energy than you get out.

we get more energy out of oil than it takes to produce it. the deal is we dont have to expend more energy than we get like hydrogen, the dinos did it for us.

Exactly, we still don't get out as much energy as was put in. You have to count the energy that went into making the dinos. Otherwise it would be like saying we get more energy out of cattle than we put in, which of course isn't true. The energy going in is just more immediate. The same can be said for any of our food. We always put more energy in then we get out when we consume the food, but it is still necessary to convert that energy into food, despite the losses. We don't want to just look and see there's a loss involved, and then just skip it. We have to look at the amount of loss relative to other technologies, the appropriateness of the energy state for a given application, the ease of creating infrastructure for distribution, ability to replenish the stored energy, and all kinds of other things that I'm not even aware of when we consider what forms of storage should use for energy. It isn't nearly as straight forward as simply saying, we don't get as much out as we put in.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
It's mind blowing what issues the wingnuts will latch on to. Seriously, wtf should anyone care about drilling? Why is that a pressing issue? Hell, the only reason I see it as controversial is due to the mindless ditto heads latching onto the issue as if it really has any bearing on their livelihood. IT DOESN'T, YOU MORONS.

"Drill baby drill!" GOD you folks love your partially hydrogenated sound bytes. Yeah drill NOW so in 15-20 years we can all capitalize on that huge amount of oil when our refining capacity is finally increased to even accommodate it!

I chalk this kind of thoughtlessness to laziness. God forbid we take a moment to evaluate things for ourselves instead of feeding off of the pre-digested thoughts from the mouth of mama-bird. TURN OFF THE TALK RADIO.

I guess I should tear up all my oil and gas working interests I've invested in all these years since I should not care about it. Sorry kid but "big oil" is mom's and dad's across this land doing the drilling. It's land owners leasing their drilling rights. It's roughnecks doing the work at good pay. Chances are anyone with a mutual fund account has big oil in their account. http://www.energytomorrow.org/media/resources/r_444.jpg

More drilling provides cheaper gas at the pump for all and tax revenue for cash strapped states like California.

In sum, only moron here is kids who don't understand the vast implications petroleum economics.

Wait, are you seriously babbling on about "save the roughnecks?" And for fucks sake, "do it for mom and dad"? Or is it "save big oil" because without new drilling prospects they're going to shrivel up away away, taking our mutual fund profits with them? Or should the average American lose sleep at night thinking about how some poor land owner in Texas won't make that exrta $500million dollars he needs to feed his family during these rouh economic times he he's not allowed to lease his land to Exxon Mobile? These reasons you gave are utterly pathetic and have nothing to do with "vast implications petroleum economics." Fuck your petty sob stories, give me some REAL data on what makes drilling so god damned urgent.


Just to help you out here's something from a conversation about ANWR a while back to use as an example why dumbfucks like you shouldn't be allowed at the table when the "grown ups" are talking:

The U.S. consumes about 20 million barrels (3,200,000 m³) daily. If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge oil reserves were used to supply 5% of the U.S. daily consumption -- most is imported from Canada (19%), Mexico (15%), Saudi Arabia (11.5%), Nigeria (10.5%) and Venezuela (10.5%)[12] -- the reserves, using the low figure of 4.3 billion barrels (680,000,000 m³), would last approximately 4300 days, or almost 12 years. Using the high estimate, the reserves would last approximately 11800 days, or 32 years. Using the increasing price of oil this supply (with 10.5 billion barrel mean and crude oil at over $120 a barrel) would be worth $1.26 trillion.