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Is nepotism really about Hunter Biden?

HomerJS

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I was thinking about all the Republican attempts to distract the impeachment hearings with Hunter Biden. Here are a few names of people landing plush gigs absent complete experience these jobs require.

Jenna Bush- NBC correspondant/Today Show no TV experience
Chelsea Clinton - NBC correspondant no TV experience
Michael Powell - FCC chairman - no experience
Eugene Scalia - No experience managing large organizations
Ivanka Trump - No government experience
Jared Kushchner - No government experience
Hunter Biden - No experience in energy industry


Other people of not who got their first TV gig with influence from their connected parents
Megan McCain
Abby Hunstman
Peter Doocey

There is a legitimate debate about kids of famous or politically connected parents landing plush gigs
without the pre-requesite experience. However, this in NOT unique to Hunter Biden
 

eelw

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But yet it’s the only one that matters in the eyes of Trumpards. How can any of them defend the nepotism his kids get but bash others they are riding a parent’s name.
 
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Commodus

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I was thinking about all the Republican attempts to distract the impeachment hearings with Hunter Biden. Here are a few names of people landing plush gigs absent complete experience these jobs require.

Jenna Bush- NBC correspondant/Today Show no TV experience
Chelsea Clinton - NBC correspondant no TV experience
Michael Powell - FCC chairman - no experience
Eugene Scalia - No experience managing large organizations
Ivanka Trump - No government experience
Jared Kushchner - No government experience
Hunter Biden - No experience in energy industry


Other people of not who got their first TV gig with influence from their connected parents
Megan McCain
Abby Hunstman
Peter Doocey

There is a legitimate debate about kids of famous or politically connected parents landing plush gigs
without the pre-requesite experience. However, this in NOT unique to Hunter Biden
That is a problem in American culture (and no doubt others), to be sure. I know networking is important, but your connections shouldn't override your ability to, y'know, do the job.

It is funny that Trump drones shout "but what about Hunter Biden?" when Trump is the king of nepotism. Many if not most of the people in his administration were appointed based on either connections to Trump or their perceived loyalty to him.
 

tweaker2

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Repubs are pre-programmed to attack anything that moves or makes a noise in the dark when they are being threatened for being the uncompromising racist, fascist and theocratically inclined extremists that they are of whom are the loudest and unyielding loyalists among them. They are the small yet potent core of the party that dictates terms and the direction the party takes.

Mix that in with their party leadership having to be beholden to the financial elites of the nation while also direly needing the votes of their welfare state constituency.

Add in the fact that their president is an incompetent self-indulging criminal moron who is owned and operated by a foreign power that is a direct threat to the security and prosperity of our nation and there you have it: One huge freak"in mess that the Repub Party is solely responsible for but refuses to be held accountable nor will they accept the fact that their party is functionally inept, anachronistic and living on borrowed time.

Instead, it's simply the fault of others that forced the party to become what and where it is: A wholly owned subsidiary of the Trump Organization.

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Moonbeam

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The brain dead like name recognition because, well you know, what's in a name, right. People today grow up with almost no moral training. It gets in the way of competing with the finest honed edge.
 

Starbuck1975

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I was thinking about all the Republican attempts to distract the impeachment hearings with Hunter Biden. Here are a few names of people landing plush gigs absent complete experience these jobs require.

Jenna Bush- NBC correspondant/Today Show no TV experience
Chelsea Clinton - NBC correspondant no TV experience
Michael Powell - FCC chairman - no experience
Eugene Scalia - No experience managing large organizations
Ivanka Trump - No government experience
Jared Kushchner - No government experience
Hunter Biden - No experience in energy industry


Other people of not who got their first TV gig with influence from their connected parents
Megan McCain
Abby Hunstman
Peter Doocey

There is a legitimate debate about kids of famous or politically connected parents landing plush gigs
without the pre-requesite experience. However, this in NOT unique to Hunter Biden
All of it is nepotism, but hard for Biden to attack Trump for it when his son’s hand was in the cookie jar.
 

Blackjack200

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I was thinking about all the Republican attempts to distract the impeachment hearings with Hunter Biden. Here are a few names of people landing plush gigs absent complete experience these jobs require.

Jenna Bush- NBC correspondant/Today Show no TV experience
Chelsea Clinton - NBC correspondant no TV experience
Michael Powell - FCC chairman - no experience
Eugene Scalia - No experience managing large organizations
Ivanka Trump - No government experience
Jared Kushchner - No government experience
Hunter Biden - No experience in energy industry


Other people of not who got their first TV gig with influence from their connected parents
Megan McCain
Abby Hunstman
Peter Doocey

There is a legitimate debate about kids of famous or politically connected parents landing plush gigs
without the pre-requesite experience. However, this in NOT unique to Hunter Biden
It's not nepotism, nepotism is when you give someone a job because they're your relative. This is just straight forward corruption: Hiring someone so that the powerful person they're linked to will give you favorable treatment.

BTW, this is probably true of everyone else on the list too, but Chelsea Clinton has gotten way more than the correspondent gig. Also, she never actually did anything for that job, she just got paid.
 

BurnItDwn

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All of it is nepotism, but hard for Biden to attack Trump for it when his son’s hand was in the cookie jar.
Biden and Trump have no shame and have no problems with being 100% hypocrites ... they can easily attack their adversaries for stuff that they themselves are guilty of. They made their whole lives and careers based off of hypocrisy.
 

zinfamous

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Well the people that are hired to be spokespeople on these entertainment TV shows aren't really taking up roles that would be better served by....some kind of comparable expert in those positions? Experts don't exist there. These are mostly brainless yelling-head shows where quality is anathema to content. ....and I don't care what kind of show we are talking about, they are all pretty much useless. You just need to be able to hold a conversation and keep attention to fill airtime, which is certainly its own type of skill.
 

blackangst1

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This isnt really anything new. HERE is a brief outline of family politics in the US. Goes back to our 2nd POTUS, John Adams.
 

sportage

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IT'S ALL ABOUT JOE BIDEN.
Focusing on Hunter is only the distraction republicans must adhere to.

Think about it..... Anything that republicans say or do against Donald Trump in their mind is doing or saying something "PRO" Joe Biden.
Think more about it.....
Most if not all Trump administration republicans and congressional republicans simply CAN NOT nor DARE NOT say one discouraging word against Trump or admit to the crimes Trump has committed.
To do that, to do any of that would only reenforce Joe Biden. Build-up Joe Biden.
And remember.... Joe Biden is running against Donald Trump and not only that, the most likely democrat to win and actually go one on one against Donald Trump.

So naturally, those like Lindsey Graham cracker and.... well every single republican in the house and senate MUST NEVER directly address or admit to the crimes that Donald Trump has so obviously committed. Any of that would be tossing support to Joe Biden, intended or not.
And god forbid anyone on the republican side besides Mitt Romney would call out Donald Trump. Donald Trump is definitely taking notes, and tossing any support towards Joe Biden regardless of the intension would conjure up the full wrath of Donald Trump. Just like in the horror movies.

Also.... republicans now ignore, lie, distract from, refuse to admit to the truth when it concerns the high crimes and misdemeanors Donald Trump has committed and is currently being impeached for.
THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.
Don't you see? It is all about Joe Biden as the enemy and republicans fearing the wrath of Donald Trump.
This is why republicans pretend they are the deer in the headlights when it comes to high crimes and misdemeanors.
 
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Starbuck1975

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Biden and Trump have no shame and have no problems with being 100% hypocrites ... they can easily attack their adversaries for stuff that they themselves are guilty of. They made their whole lives and careers based off of hypocrisy.
I wouldn’t equate Biden to Trump, but Hunter’s involvement in the Ukraine isn’t a great optic given the recent history of the region and his father’s status as VP. Although it is fair to say that Trump happily rubbed elbows with the Bidens and Clintons of the world before he decided to be a Republican.
 

JEDIYoda

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All of it is nepotism, but hard for Biden to attack Trump for it when his son’s hand was in the cookie jar.
re you sure?? I thought that was debunked! Even Bruce hastened to add: “Eager to focus on Trump, Democrats are not likely to call Hunter Biden either. Schiff warning the hearings ‘will not serve as vehicles for any member to carry out the same sham investigations into the Bidens.’”

On CBS This Morning, co-host Tony Dokoupil warned: “And Democrats are pushing back against witnesses that Republicans want to testify. GOP members want to question Hunter Biden, son of former Vice President Joe Biden, about corruption in Ukraine.” The anchor parroted objections from the President’s political opponents: “Democrats say that has nothing to do with the accusations from several officials that the President withheld military aid and pushed Ukraine to investigate the Bidens and other Democrats.”


In the report that followed, correspondent Nancy Cordes proclaimed:


But this is part of the Republican strategy. They want to call witnesses who they feel would bolster their argument that President Trump was simply trying to investigate corruption in Ukraine. They also want to bring attention back to claims about Hunter Biden’s work in Ukraine, though there has been no evidence of any wrongdoing there.
She then predictably let Democrats have the final word: “House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff said that he would evaluate the list but that he would not allow these hearings to become, quote, ‘sham investigations into the Bidens or debunked conspiracy theories.’”

 

dank69

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It's not nepotism, nepotism is when you give someone a job because they're your relative. This is just straight forward corruption: Hiring someone so that the powerful person they're linked to will give you favorable treatment.

BTW, this is probably true of everyone else on the list too, but Chelsea Clinton has gotten way more than the correspondent gig. Also, she never actually did anything for that job, she just got paid.
It doesn't become corruption until the powerful person actually renders "favorable treatment."
 

UNCjigga

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Got another one for you. Queue up Andrew Giuliani

“Steve Munisteri, who was principal director of the public-liaison office and Giuliani’s supervisor from February 2017 to February 2019, told me that Giuliani fills out his time by serving as the office’s representative at White House meetings about the opioid crisis.”

Now that’s interesting, given his father’s role in perpetuating the opioid crisis.

Looks like this happened during Andrew Giuliani’s employment: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/22/rudy-giuliani-opioid-epidemic-oxycontin-purdue-pharma
 
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MtnMan

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Biden's kids are capable of holding a job outside of the family business, unlike Trumps where daddy does their hiring.
 
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K1052

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I wouldn’t equate Biden to Trump, but Hunter’s involvement in the Ukraine isn’t a great optic given the recent history of the region and his father’s status as VP. Although it is fair to say that Trump happily rubbed elbows with the Bidens and Clintons of the world before he decided to be a Republican.
I mean nobody can cite any official action that Joe Biden took to further his son's interests even at this point. The connection and overall conspiracy theory is entirely fabricated by Russians who were hawking it though outer edge Trump-world figures until Rudy heard it and deemed it credible leading to the disaster we presently enjoy. A perception of conflict of interest? Sure. Any actual wrongdoing? There is no evidence for that. In the end Trump doesn't care about if it was true or not but if he could weaponize it no matter how outlandish the story was or where it came from.
 

Thunder 57

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Can we all just agree that nepotism sucks all around? I've seen too much of it, especially working at a family owned business. It's almost always bad and toxic for competent people who have to deal with that crap.
 

HomerJS

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Necro this old thread because of all the talk about Hunter Biden getting a cush job because of a politically connected parent.

Add this list Rudy Giuliani's son had a 95K/year gig at the White House with no experience.

I'll say this again. High profile jobs because of a connected parent is NOT a Hunter problem.
 

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I was thinking about all the Republican attempts to distract the impeachment hearings with Hunter Biden. Here are a few names of people landing plush gigs absent complete experience these jobs require.

Jenna Bush- NBC correspondant/Today Show no TV experience
Chelsea Clinton - NBC correspondant no TV experience
Michael Powell - FCC chairman - no experience
Eugene Scalia - No experience managing large organizations
Ivanka Trump - No government experience
Jared Kushchner - No government experience
Hunter Biden - No experience in energy industry


Other people of not who got their first TV gig with influence from their connected parents
Megan McCain
Abby Hunstman
Peter Doocey

There is a legitimate debate about kids of famous or politically connected parents landing plush gigs
without the pre-requesite experience. However, this in NOT unique to Hunter Biden

Hunter Biden is a lawyer and worked as a lobbyist for a decade. He then worked at investment firm where the nature of the work basically milks the client lists built through a decade of lobbying.
Technically, Hunter was qualified for the work he was doing. It was a board position.
The Ukranians were probably hoping that they would be able to get extra perks due to his name as they were trying to get people on the board that they could name drop in talks with investors and foreign governments.

As per reports He was hired by Burisma as director who provided advice on legal issues, corporate finance and strategy during a five-year term on the board, which ended in April of this year who never visited Ukraine for company business during that time, according to three of the people.

Biden took part in strategic conversations and shared his opinions and experience.

Biden assisted with analysis of oil and gas assets the company was considering buying abroad, though a deal didn’t go through. The company was considering possible acquisitions in Europe, Kazakhstan and the United States, the source and another person close to Burisma said.

Both sources said that around the time Biden was appointed, Burisma was also looking to secure a financing deal with foreign investment funds, including one in the United States.

Biden helped to find lawyers to work on this process, before it broke down due to the start of the war in east Ukraine, one of those two sources said. “He was a ceremonial figure,” that person added.
 

Starbuck1975

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Necro this old thread because of all the talk about Hunter Biden getting a cush job because of a politically connected parent.

Add this list Rudy Giuliani's son had a 95K/year gig at the White House with no experience.

I'll say this again. High profile jobs because of a connected parent is NOT a Hunter problem.
Nepotism is a huge problem, and not unique to the Bidens. The problem with Hunter is that there is also a huge conflict of interest. Somewhat problematic that the administration his father served was looking to root out corruption, yet Hunter was consulting the very people who were their targets. This doesn’t mean Joe Biden or his son did anything criminal, but this type of swampy nonsense is what undermines faith in government and enabled an objectively worst pied piper candidate to ride into the White House.
 

Jaskalas

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Is nepotism really about Hunter Biden?
Yes... when the subject is corrupting influence and bribery from foreign nations.

You know, the Trump Russia scandal? Republican media is awash with the "fact" that China, Russia, and Ukraine have paid the Bidens quite a bit. We all know about Burisma, but there is even more going on according to their claims. These foreign nations / companies have thrown money at the Bidens. The question is why, and for what corrupt purpose? Is accepting the money enough evidence of wrongdoing in corruption, or must all aspects of the quid pro quo be proven - what did the Bidens give these foreign nations / companies in return?

It is a thing. How it should all pan out is anyone's guess.
 

Zorba

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All of it is nepotism, but hard for Biden to attack Trump for it when his son’s hand was in the cookie jar.
A big difference is Trump have them their jobs, where someone else have hunter his job.

I also don't recall Biden attacking Trump for it.

Edit: Just realized this post is a year old.
 

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