Is Ndamukong Suh a dirty player?

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darkswordsman17

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AMDZen said:
I will add that I don't think its just Suh.

The Lions are fostering a culture right now. An blatantly dirty one. It starts at the top with head coach Jim Schwartz.

He showed his true colors in the game against the 49ers when Harbaugh may have been a little awkward in his handshake and it was Schwartz who made a big deal out of it. He looked like a little High School bully trying to make a big deal out of something small. Harbaugh showed class when he basically just ignored the little fucker.

These Lions are all your typical bullies—the multiple dirty plays from Suh, quarterback Matthew Stafford’s antics during a Bears blowout two weeks ago, Nick Fairley, Kyle Vanden Bosch (who was dirty on the Titans too).

Earlier this month after Suh had met with Roger Goodell about his behavior, Schwartz hinted that he knew what the league office wanted coaches to convey and had no intention of instilling that in his players. I don't know if this is 100% true, but I do know that Schwartz acts like a parent in denial of his bully children by doing little to nothing to keep such dirty play in check.
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Don't forget Gunther.

I'm absolutely certain that the Lions' coaches encourage that type of play. I doubt they'll be caught telling a player to do some of the stuff Suh has done, but they're certainly not trying to put a stop to it.

Squisher said:
There is very strict unwritten etiquette that goes into that handshake. It does not involve a slap on the back and more importantly something was said by Harbaugh that has never been revealed and that was what really set off Schwartz. Yeah, he could have let it slide, but neither one of us know what was said.

So, they are fostering a culture where there is a likelihood that penalties will be called and as a direct result it will detrimental to winning games? Do you have any other stupid ideas?
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Its not a stupid idea. They've outright admitted they're fostering a culture there. No they're not going to say they're intentionally trying to get penalties and do dirty shit but the culture they're going for will lead to that and they know that.

I would not be surprised if Suh actually has ended up richer for his penalties and play. That's not exactly something that is unheard of.

As for the 49ers situation, Schwartz claims he was cussed at, and then said some idiotic shit about how he doesn't expect to be cussed at, even though he was cussing at Harbaugh earlier in the game (Schwartz said something like "know the fucking rules" when Harbaugh threw the challenge flag on a play that can't be challenged).

There have been other things as well. Like getting caught tampering with players.

hclarkjr said:
looks like he is spending his time off partying http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Detroit-Lions-defensive-lineman-Ndamukong-Suh-crashes-car-120311
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Nah man, he was just trying to shut his door and he reflexively ran it into a light pole, fountain, and tree.
 
Squisher

Squisher

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darkswordsman17 said:
Its not a stupid idea. They've outright admitted they're fostering a culture there. No they're not going to say they're intentionally trying to get penalties and do dirty shit but the culture they're going for will lead to that and they know that.
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Really? I don't think you'll ever find a person who reads every ounce of drivel about my home teams more than me and I've never heard anything that said anything other than they want to foster a mindset of winning. They want them to do illegal stuff, but don't want them to get caught. No. no no, that isn't stupid. :rolleyes: I guess stomping on a player after the whistle with everyone looking at you isn't in the Lion's Dirty Playbook. Maybe it's in one the appendices that Suh got a hold of by mistake.

I would not be surprised if Suh actually has ended up richer for his penalties and play. That's not exactly something that is unheard of.

As for the 49ers situation, Schwartz claims he was cussed at, and then said some idiotic shit about how he doesn't expect to be cussed at, even though he was cussing at Harbaugh earlier in the game (Schwartz said something like "know the fucking rules" when Harbaugh threw the challenge flag on a play that can't be challenged).
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Do you really think anybody could hear Schwartz yell that,that was more than 10 feet away? Certainly not Harbaugh at 150+ feet. and that is not during the handshake which I will say again for you slower has an u-n-w-r-i-t-t-e-n e-t-i-q-u-e-t-t-e about it because there has been many other incidents and the coaches and the league don't want any more of them.
There have been other things as well. Like getting caught tampering with players.
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You don't even know what that was about do you? Tampering, yeah right. Telling a player you admire on another team as you're going off the field that you wished he played for you is tampering. You're really stretching here.
Nah man, he was just trying to shut his door and he reflexively ran it into a light pole, fountain, and tree.
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Squisher

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Chaotic42

Chaotic42

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ussfletcher said:
Despite what the guy did, you have to remember that football players are trained to rage against their opponents. I'm sure most if not all of us have had moments where anger has gotten the best of us, and for Suh that may be stomping on a guy. I'm not at all saying this is 'clean' football, but it is something that was blown way out of proportion, though it was definitely 'unsportsmanlike'.
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Football players are trained to rage *properly* against their opponents. There is a way to channel that energy and there is a way not to. Suh has chosen the improper way several times.

Hopefully he grows up a little and doesn't ruin a promising career.
 
BoomerD

BoomerD

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Looks like he lied about the car accident as well...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...ng-Suh-lied-about-car-acciden?urn=nfl-wp13295

According to one of the passengers in Ndamukong Suh's(notes) car when the Detroit Lions defensive tackle hit a tree early Saturday morning in Portland, Ore., Suh lied to the police about the reason for the accident, the number of passengers in the car and the extent of the injuries one of them suffered.

Just after the accident happened at approximately 1 a.m. Saturday, Suh told Portland police that he was passing a taxi cab when he lost control of his 1970 Chevy Coupe and crashed into a tree. He told police that nobody in the car was injured, and no tickets or citations were given.

But two people in the car have since spoken to Portland TV station KGW, and their versions of the accident and its effects differ quite seriously from Suh's version at the scene. As a result, the police report has been amended to include passenger injuries, the possible reason for the crash and the number of passengers in the car — from two to three.

"When the light turned green, he floored it," one of the passengers, who asked to remain anonymous, told KGW. "I just remember going so fast and it was violent and just getting thrown around like rag dolls."

The woman told KGW that she suffered several injuries in the crash: a cut eyebrow, a black eye and a cut lip that required stitches. A second passenger verified the woman's claims but did not speak on camera.

Suh called 911 after the crash (listen to the call here) and said "Yes, everyone is fine" when the dispatcher asked, "Are you sure you don't need an ambulance?" But the woman said that she asked Suh to call an ambulance. Suh refused and told the woman that she was fine. From the scene of the accident, the woman walked away from the car and asked her husband to pick her up. She then was driven to the Oregon Health and Science University for treatment. The insurance company initially refused to pay for her injuries, doing so only when the police report was amended to support her story.

The woman also said that nearly 50 people approached Suh's car after the crash and started taking photos. A witness named "Allan" spoke to KGW and said that the driver "floored it" when the stoplight at 3rd and Burnside turned green. The witness said that it looked as if Suh was trying to "show off" with screeching tires, and he did not see any taxi cab.

When the woman in the car saw a television report about the crash on Sunday morning, she was upset because she felt Suh had lied to police, according to KGW.
However, local authorities told the station that despite the amended police report, there were no plans to issue any citations.

"At no point did anyone there tell an officer that he [Suh] was driving out of control," Sgt. Pete Simpson of the Portland Police Bureau told KGW. "The crash doesn't meet our threshold for investigation which is vulnerable road user, DUI, or serious trauma injury."

KGW attempted to contact Suh, who declined to comment.

Suh was in Portland after losing his appeal with the NFL to reduce the two-game suspension he picked up for kicking Green Bay Packers guard Evan Dietrich-Smith(notes) during a Thanksgiving Day game. As part of his terms, he is barred from team facilities through the length of the suspension.
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AMDZen

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Squisher said:
So, they are fostering a culture where there is a likelihood that penalties will be called and as a direct result it will detrimental to winning games? Do you have any other stupid ideas?
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11 more penalties on Sunday. More than any other team. Avg 10 in the last 3.

Stupid idea or not, we'll see when you and Oakland are 1-2 in most penalized teams by years end.
 
rcpratt

rcpratt

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Nope. But I'm not really going to get into it.

Interested to know why the women left the scene, though.
 
Squisher

Squisher

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I know that whenever I've gotten into an accident that was the direct result of my stupidity, my statement to the police painted my actions in their best light. ():)
 
Squisher

Squisher

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AMDZen said:
11 more penalties on Sunday. More than any other team. Avg 10 in the last 3.

Stupid idea or not, we'll see when you and Oakland are 1-2 in most penalized teams by years end.
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My point exactly. Do you really think that anyone on the Lion's or Raider's staff thinks this is a good thing? That they are fostering this attitude?

All the focus in the papers, websites, or talk radio around here is pointing their fingers at Schwartz to get this under control in a hurry.

It's a funny thing about Detroit sports is that we have the archetype of how to handle yourself in these kind of situations with the Red Wings. Here was a team that didn't win anything until it learned to grow up, turn your back, and skate away. Once that hit home it started raining Stanley Cups.
 
Saint Nick

Saint Nick

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I think Suh is getting way out of line. All of that money and popularity is screwing him up...he needs to get his head on straight. He never acted like such a jerk in college ball.
 
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