Is my bench press performance normal or weird?

Phokus

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Based on some advice, i changed my routine.

1st set: 95 pounds/10 reps (warmup)

2nd set: 135 pounds/10

3rd set: 135 pounds/7

4th set:135/5

5th set: 135/3 or 4 reps

Is it normal for my reps to drop down so far? Should i make any other adjustments?
 

Evadman

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I can do 30 reps in 4 sets at 210 Kg, so yea, I'd say something's wrong.
 

overst33r

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I use the 10-8-6-4 routine...10x95lb, 8x115lb, 6x135, 4x165. Three sets of those have worked pretty good for me...but i think you need to mention your physical attributes and why you are lifting (gain muscle, tone?)
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
I use the 10-8-6-4 routine...10x95lb, 8x115lb, 6x135, 4x165. Three sets of those have worked pretty good for me...but i think you need to mention your physical attributes and why you are lifting (gain muscle, tone?)

Gain muscle i guess
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
I use the 10-8-6-4 routine...10x95lb, 8x115lb, 6x135, 4x165. Three sets of those have worked pretty good for me...but i think you need to mention your physical attributes and why you are lifting (gain muscle, tone?)

so it sounds like your 1st and 2nd set you don't press until failure huh?
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: mariok2006
I use the 10-8-6-4 routine...10x95lb, 8x115lb, 6x135, 4x165. Three sets of those have worked pretty good for me...but i think you need to mention your physical attributes and why you are lifting (gain muscle, tone?)

so it sounds like your 1st and 2nd set you don't press until failure huh?

correct...they are basically intended for warmup
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: mariok2006
I use the 10-8-6-4 routine...10x95lb, 8x115lb, 6x135, 4x165. Three sets of those have worked pretty good for me...but i think you need to mention your physical attributes and why you are lifting (gain muscle, tone?)

so it sounds like your 1st and 2nd set you don't press until failure huh?

correct...they are basically intended for warmup

Ah... ok, that's how i do my first set, but everything else is done to failure...
 

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Seems like you aren't used to long, intense workouts if your strength decreases that fast. try doing workouts with 10-12 sets for chest, do exercises like incline/decline bench, dumbell presses, hammer grip dumbell presses, and weighted dips. Use good form. How's your nutrition? If you aren't eating well (especially carbs) then your performance in the weight room be be held back by this. PM me if you have more questions.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: drsafety
Seems like you aren't used to long, intense workouts if your strength decreases that fast. try doing workouts with 10-12 sets for chest, do exercises like incline/decline bench, dumbell presses, hammer grip dumbell presses, and weighted dips. Use good form. How's your nutrition? If you aren't eating well (especially carbs) then your performance in the weight room be be held back by this. PM me if you have more questions.

So i should do more sets huh? I thought that was for more endurance gains rather than strength gains?
 

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If you're gonna be dropping reps you should be adding weight with each subsequent set
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Based on some advice, i changed my routine.

1st set: 95 pounds/10 reps (warmup)

2nd set: 135 pounds/10

3rd set: 135 pounds/7

4th set:135/5

5th set: 135/3 or 4 reps

Is it normal for my reps to drop down so far? Should i make any other adjustments?

You lack muscle endurance. This is why your reps drop off as your sets go up. How long do you rest inbetween your sets?

First 'work' set at 135lbs is good. 10reps but were you 'busting a gut' to get to 10reps? 2nd set (we won't count the 95lbs as that is a 'warm up') at 135lbs was quite a drop off it.

How long have you been training?

You should be able to at least maintain 135lbs for say 6reps x 4-5sets. Or even 135lbs x 12reps x 4 sets later. The more months and years you clock in the gym you get CONSIDERABLY stronger. It just takes time and commitment.

Do about 10reps with just the bar. Then add 10kg to each side and do say 4-6reps. Then go up in 10Kgs to your 'training weight'.

Koing
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: Phokus
Based on some advice, i changed my routine.

1st set: 95 pounds/10 reps (warmup)

2nd set: 135 pounds/10

3rd set: 135 pounds/7

4th set:135/5

5th set: 135/3 or 4 reps

Is it normal for my reps to drop down so far? Should i make any other adjustments?

You lack muscle endurance. This is why your reps drop off as your sets go up. How long do you rest inbetween your sets?

First 'work' set at 135lbs is good. 10reps but were you 'busting a gut' to get to 10reps? 2nd set (we won't count the 95lbs as that is a 'warm up') at 135lbs was quite a drop off it.

How long have you been training?

You should be able to at least maintain 135lbs for say 6reps x 4-5sets. Or even 135lbs x 12reps x 4 sets later. The more months and years you clock in the gym you get CONSIDERABLY stronger. It just takes time and commitment.

Do about 10reps with just the bar. Then add 10kg to each side and do say 4-6reps. Then go up in 10Kgs to your 'training weight'.

Koing

Yeah i'm a newb at this... i think i've been doing this 2 - 3 months... i rest about 2 minutes in between sets, maybe a little more on the later sets...

The first 'work' set, i lifted until failure and i was working really hard.

 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: mariok2006
I use the 10-8-6-4 routine...10x95lb, 8x115lb, 6x135, 4x165. Three sets of those have worked pretty good for me...but i think you need to mention your physical attributes and why you are lifting (gain muscle, tone?)

so it sounds like your 1st and 2nd set you don't press until failure huh?

correct...they are basically intended for warmup

while I haven't lifted in quite some time - yeah, the first two are to get the blood pumping and should not be anywhere near your limit.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: drsafety
Seems like you aren't used to long, intense workouts if your strength decreases that fast. try doing workouts with 10-12 sets for chest, do exercises like incline/decline bench, dumbell presses, hammer grip dumbell presses, and weighted dips. Use good form. How's your nutrition? If you aren't eating well (especially carbs) then your performance in the weight room be be held back by this. PM me if you have more questions.

So i should do more sets huh? I thought that was for more endurance gains rather than strength gains?

Not exactly.

More reps = more muscle endurance

Weight (also known as 'intensity') will determine '1RM strength'. The more 'weight per rep' you use is more geared towards lifting more for a 'single lift' or a big 3 reps.

You mix things up to WHAT YOU WANT from your training. But it is ALWAYS good to cycle your reps and sets every 4-6 weeks. Or on a trainng day basis but it gets more complicated then you would need it to be.

12reps x 4 sets = muscle endurance (you will HAVE TO LIFT LESS weight on that)
6reps x 5 sets = more for strength (you will be able to lift more 'set' for the 5 sets and this will help get you a bigger 1RM -3RM -6RM then if you were doing 12reps x 4 sets)
3reps x 6 sets = will help you get a bigger 1RM but you won't be able to lift a lower weight for as many reps.

OR you could pyramid up so as you drop the reps you increase the weight as you should be able to lift more weight because you have decreased the reps.

Koing
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Hey, if i can do 135 pounds 10 times, what's my 1 rep max?

It doesn't 'quite' work out like that.

Your 1RM is WHAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY LIFTED. Not some 'calculated' lift. You did 135lbs for 10reps but for only one set. If you did it for say 4 sets your 1RM would be closer to 160lbs if not higher depending on a bunch of factors. But as it is I would be suprised if you could hit 160lbs for a 'good' 1RM with 'good form'. None of this bouncing it off your chest BS or even worse the one where it DOESN'T even touch your chest!

Koing
 

bjc112

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I weigh 145-155 depending on my diet that week..

5'11-6'0

I start with 155 and do 10 reps

Jump to 175 and do 8 reps

195 I do 6 reps

Then I make a jump to 235 and do 4 more..

:D
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: Phokus
Based on some advice, i changed my routine.

1st set: 95 pounds/10 reps (warmup)

2nd set: 135 pounds/10

3rd set: 135 pounds/7

4th set:135/5

5th set: 135/3 or 4 reps

Is it normal for my reps to drop down so far? Should i make any other adjustments?

You lack muscle endurance. This is why your reps drop off as your sets go up. How long do you rest inbetween your sets?

First 'work' set at 135lbs is good. 10reps but were you 'busting a gut' to get to 10reps? 2nd set (we won't count the 95lbs as that is a 'warm up') at 135lbs was quite a drop off it.

How long have you been training?

You should be able to at least maintain 135lbs for say 6reps x 4-5sets. Or even 135lbs x 12reps x 4 sets later. The more months and years you clock in the gym you get CONSIDERABLY stronger. It just takes time and commitment.

Do about 10reps with just the bar. Then add 10kg to each side and do say 4-6reps. Then go up in 10Kgs to your 'training weight'.

Koing

Yeah i'm a newb at this... i think i've been doing this 2 - 3 months... i rest about 2 minutes in between sets, maybe a little more on the later sets...

The first 'work' set, i lifted until failure and i was working really hard.

It's alright. I was once a n00b also :p

Lift less weight for the 135lbs. First 4 weeks you should be doing a weight you can do for 10reps x 3 sets.

You worked FAR FAR too hard on the first set. This shows in your reps for your later sets.

It doesn't matter what weight you lift. Lift for a good 10reps x 3 sets. This is a 'basic' get a good 30reps in. More reps = more practice for the lift. The more practice you get the better your technique will be and the better you will be at the lift.

Koing
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: Phokus
Based on some advice, i changed my routine.

1st set: 95 pounds/10 reps (warmup)

2nd set: 135 pounds/10

3rd set: 135 pounds/7

4th set:135/5

5th set: 135/3 or 4 reps

Is it normal for my reps to drop down so far? Should i make any other adjustments?

You lack muscle endurance. This is why your reps drop off as your sets go up. How long do you rest inbetween your sets?

First 'work' set at 135lbs is good. 10reps but were you 'busting a gut' to get to 10reps? 2nd set (we won't count the 95lbs as that is a 'warm up') at 135lbs was quite a drop off it.

How long have you been training?

You should be able to at least maintain 135lbs for say 6reps x 4-5sets. Or even 135lbs x 12reps x 4 sets later. The more months and years you clock in the gym you get CONSIDERABLY stronger. It just takes time and commitment.

Do about 10reps with just the bar. Then add 10kg to each side and do say 4-6reps. Then go up in 10Kgs to your 'training weight'.

Koing

Yeah i'm a newb at this... i think i've been doing this 2 - 3 months... i rest about 2 minutes in between sets, maybe a little more on the later sets...

The first 'work' set, i lifted until failure and i was working really hard.

It's alright. I was once a n00b also :p

Lift less weight for the 135lbs. First 4 weeks you should be doing a weight you can do for 10reps x 3 sets.

You worked FAR FAR too hard on the first set. This shows in your reps for your later sets.

It doesn't matter what weight you lift. Lift for a good 10reps x 3 sets. This is a 'basic' get a good 30reps in. More reps = more practice for the lift. The more practice you get the better your technique will be and the better you will be at the lift.

Koing

Ok thanks Koing (and everyone else)
 
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It depends more with a percentage of your max than anything to do with your bodyweight. What is your max?

Go with a system where you are straining to do the last few reps of each set with 1 minute rest in between. The last set, you should barely be able to lift the last rep. For muscle, you should lift the most weight possible with low reps, no more than 6 to 8.