Is modern progressivism incompatible with Christianity?

Lithium381

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Is that why there is such a war on religion?(Specifically the Christians?)

Take some of the 10 commandments for instance:

3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
Progressives worship government as a god



15 “You shall not steal.
Through taxation progressives steal "legally" from the citizens.


16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.


17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
Progressives covet EVERYTHING and want it for themselves. It's not FAIR that someone has something.


From 2 Cor 9:

6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work. 9 As it is written:
“They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor;
their righteousness endures forever.”[a]

They do not freely give their own money, but want (through the use of force) everyone else to give.

1 Sam 8:3-5

But his sons did not follow his ways. They turned aside after dishonest gain and accepted bribes and perverted justice. 4So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. 5They said to him, “You are old, and your sons do not follow your ways; now appoint a king to leadb us, such as all the other nations have.”




Continuing:

1 Sam 8:11-18
He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16Your male and female servants and the best of your cattlec and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”


Progressives want a king, an all powerful dictator and a tyranny of power, so long as they're the ones in power....
 

SMOGZINN

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Come on guys. This is a troll post.
No one can say things like:
3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
Progressives worship government as a god

And really mean it. This is just a bait statements to get you to be outraged so you will spend your time rebutting a troll.
 

IronWing

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This thread is an inappropriate use of the Discussion Forum and aught to be cast into the outer darkness (P&N).
 

dphantom

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I also don't see this as a Discussion Forum topic. P&N is more appropriate where each side can flame the other without actually adding anything of importance. :)
 

JEDIYoda

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notice how Litium381 has not posted yet.....to defend his assertions..
 

Lithium381

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I notice nothing in here but ad hominem attacks on me and not the content. . i wanted to have an honest dicussion without flaming which is why it's in here and no in P&N where most of my topics are started.
 

AViking

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Your entire thought process is stupid. The idea that it's progressives against Christians is idiotic. Your opening statement that there is a war on religion, and christianity, is based on nothing substantive.
 

dphantom

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Progressives certainly can be Christians and I think that is where your argument never got off the ground.

Now if your premise had been something like progressives place the State ahead of the individual then there is a discussion possibility.
 

Lithium381

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that's not much of a discussion, they do place the State above the individual.

Well, the Progressive notions i've mentioned are at odds with the specific passages i've cited. . . .perhaps someone can explain to me why they're Christian and Progressive yet violate those ideals?
 

spittledip

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Jesus said, "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and give unto God that which is God's". This was an answer to someone asking Him if they should pay their taxes.

Your verse from 2nd Corinthians is for Christians only. It does not apply to government. You are taking it way out of context when you try to apply that to government.

You are also taking the Samuel verses way out of context. God was the king and the Israelites wanted a human king. We don't live in a Theocracy. This verse would also be at odds with putting a Republican in office. You are making quite a stretch.

All this stuff is a stretch.
 

sandorski

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I think the discussion is pretty much done. However, anyone from any Political position can do the same as you did and make it sound like Political Position X is incompatible with Christianity.

Just as something to think about. In Canada and from what I understand various Nations in Western Europe, Socialist political parties were started by Christian Ministers. Their main motivation came from the Beatitudes and other teachings of Jesus.
 

Greenman

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The discussion was over before it started. There was never any doubt as to which direction it would go.
 

Pray To Jesus

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What is modern progressivism from your perspective?

Are you asking about postmodern mindset or the modern mindset?
 
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