Strikes me that when it was talked about as windows 8.2 that made it sound like it would be a free upgrade for existing 8/8.1 licence holders (as with 8 to 8.1 or 98 to 98SE). But if its '9' that seems unlikely.
Strikes me that when it was talked about as windows 8.2 that made it sound like it would be a free upgrade for existing 8/8.1 licence holders (as with 8 to 8.1 or 98 to 98SE). But if its '9' that seems unlikely.
akugami
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@bbhaag
First, I don't take anything personally unless the person makes it so. I always look at differing viewpoints and don't mind admitting when I'm wrong.
With that said, I know how to use the Start Screen and everything you say is stuff I already know. Part of my job entails learning the ins and outs of new releases on Windows. Maybe not to the degree of a knowing everything about the OS or how to do everything, but certainly enough to navigate day to day, troubleshoot common errors, and use certain "power user" level functions. I need to know this for installation and testing of B2B based software that the company I work for develops and to test many different hardware and devices that we use/deploy that a normal user will never use.
The common theme, and the point of my complaint of Win8 is MS "forcing" me to use the Metro UI when all I want to use is a desktop OS. These changes may help touch based devices like tablets but the problem is these changes arguably do not increase productivity or ease of use when I'm testing hardware and software or writing up a bug report. Quite the opposite, some of the changes actually hinder many power users until said power user configure things in Win8 to not use Metro at every opportunity. It's actually quite jarring to find yourself in a full screen app when you first use Win8 and you have no idea how to exit a Metro app. As a desktop user, I shouldn't have to put up with such annoyances out of the box.
All of this is extremely ironic since the B2B software we develop is 90% touch based and one of the major components of the hardware we deploy is a touchscreen. Although in our case, you should never ever see the Windows desktop on our B2B software.
My main rig at home has Win 8.1 but there is no way in hell I'd use that on my system at work. My productivity would drop. My beef with Win8 is not that Metro is in there. It's a fine UI for touch based devices like tablets though there obviously needs refinement. It's just that Metro is not a desktop UI and should not have been forced down our throats.
First, I don't take anything personally unless the person makes it so. I always look at differing viewpoints and don't mind admitting when I'm wrong.
With that said, I know how to use the Start Screen and everything you say is stuff I already know. Part of my job entails learning the ins and outs of new releases on Windows. Maybe not to the degree of a knowing everything about the OS or how to do everything, but certainly enough to navigate day to day, troubleshoot common errors, and use certain "power user" level functions. I need to know this for installation and testing of B2B based software that the company I work for develops and to test many different hardware and devices that we use/deploy that a normal user will never use.
The common theme, and the point of my complaint of Win8 is MS "forcing" me to use the Metro UI when all I want to use is a desktop OS. These changes may help touch based devices like tablets but the problem is these changes arguably do not increase productivity or ease of use when I'm testing hardware and software or writing up a bug report. Quite the opposite, some of the changes actually hinder many power users until said power user configure things in Win8 to not use Metro at every opportunity. It's actually quite jarring to find yourself in a full screen app when you first use Win8 and you have no idea how to exit a Metro app. As a desktop user, I shouldn't have to put up with such annoyances out of the box.
All of this is extremely ironic since the B2B software we develop is 90% touch based and one of the major components of the hardware we deploy is a touchscreen. Although in our case, you should never ever see the Windows desktop on our B2B software.
My main rig at home has Win 8.1 but there is no way in hell I'd use that on my system at work. My productivity would drop. My beef with Win8 is not that Metro is in there. It's a fine UI for touch based devices like tablets though there obviously needs refinement. It's just that Metro is not a desktop UI and should not have been forced down our throats.
I gotta disagree with all of you. I absolutely LOVE Windows 8! 
My income has jumped substantially the past two years from businesses who need to replace/upgrade systems and do not want Windows 8. Can't buy a Win7 machine from Best Buy, they come to me to provide Windows 7 systems!
Using Windows 8 is frustrating beyond belief. Things that used to be so simple and used by everyone for years and years, such as taking an item from the start menu and placing a shortcut on the desktop - even I have to find an online tutorial to tell me how to do it. How is a normal user going to figure it out?
And does anyone find the keypad gestures useful? Everyone I know with Windows 8 for the first time were getting blasted with the most random, illogical things happening because of gestures. Just the other day was helping someone set up software on a new Win8 laptop, I'm trying to coordinate between a couple different windows each running a task, and every few seconds I'm mystically transported to a random full-screen metro app. I don't know how I got there, I don't know how to prevent myself from being transported there in the future. It's not reasonable to expect a typical user to be able to deal with that.
For many years computers kept getting easier and easier to use, but suddenly the pendulum has swung back the other way and these new touch interfaces are confusing the heck out of people. In a few years there may finally be a set standard to touch interface layouts and icon pictures, but until a standard layout is agreed upon it's rough.
My income has jumped substantially the past two years from businesses who need to replace/upgrade systems and do not want Windows 8. Can't buy a Win7 machine from Best Buy, they come to me to provide Windows 7 systems!
Using Windows 8 is frustrating beyond belief. Things that used to be so simple and used by everyone for years and years, such as taking an item from the start menu and placing a shortcut on the desktop - even I have to find an online tutorial to tell me how to do it. How is a normal user going to figure it out?
And does anyone find the keypad gestures useful? Everyone I know with Windows 8 for the first time were getting blasted with the most random, illogical things happening because of gestures. Just the other day was helping someone set up software on a new Win8 laptop, I'm trying to coordinate between a couple different windows each running a task, and every few seconds I'm mystically transported to a random full-screen metro app. I don't know how I got there, I don't know how to prevent myself from being transported there in the future. It's not reasonable to expect a typical user to be able to deal with that.
For many years computers kept getting easier and easier to use, but suddenly the pendulum has swung back the other way and these new touch interfaces are confusing the heck out of people. In a few years there may finally be a set standard to touch interface layouts and icon pictures, but until a standard layout is agreed upon it's rough.
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FeuerFrei
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Well maybe there's hope yet, in regard to desktop and full screen apps in Windows 8.1.
The next Windows 8.1 update might skip the Start screen by default
The next Windows 8.1 update might skip the Start screen by default
Eug
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Of course Windows 8 missed the mark. It was both a UI and a marketing disaster. When they released the first previews emphasizing Metro I thought they had gone into desperation mode. I just could not understand WTF they were thinking.
Now I hear it was based on data that misled them about their customers.
That's a step further than even I was expecting.
It's basically an admission that it was a total failure.
Now I hear it was based on data that misled them about their customers.
Heh. That's pretty funny... and profit for you.I gotta disagree with all of you. I absolutely LOVE Windows 8!
My income has jumped substantially the past two years from businesses who need to replace/upgrade systems and do not want Windows 8. Can't buy a Win7 machine from Best Buy, they come to me to provide Windows 7 systems!
I was coming here specifically to post an article about that.
That's a step further than even I was expecting.
It's basically an admission that it was a total failure.
Metro interface is just retarded for desktop usage and they insist on forcing it to their customers. We have to use 3rd parties application to make it "work" like we want it to. Just dumb. I wish we would have more mainstream OS to choose from. One can dream.
I agree because Metro Interface isn't that great for desktop use but it does work well for a laptop.
One size fits all never works. Also if I want an OS where I have to have special software to read the DVD, I could just download LINUX. Better yet, I could keep using Win7 for free with no hassle.
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