Is LCD/IPS/OLED that bad? Or am I missing something

[Guerrilladawg]

I own a Samsung UE37D5000 LCD, Dell UE2312HM IPS and a Playstation Vita OLED, but all suffer from the same problem. Still images are great and perfect, but once I start moving, the problems appear.

On the PS Vita, the OLED screen is marvelous, but when I turn my crosshair in Unit 13 at certain speeds, you can see background stuff get kinda smeary, it creates some kind of trail. Like the pixels are moving too slow which ends up creating a blurry/weird image once you start moving left->right->left->right

Same thing for my TV and IPS. When I play a game like GW2, WoW or Borderlands 2...I notice the same problem when standing still with my character and turning around.

I find it strange that this happens on all the screens. They can't possibly all be faulty, because that seems very unlikely. I've been thinking something in my house could of caused it, like bad electricity when charging the monitor/tv/handheld, but that sounds impossible (and stupid I guess). Maybe it's just a normal effect that irritates my eyes? Or maybe there's something wrong with my eyes? It's really irritating and I wish I could find the cause.

 

[ViRGE]

Without getting too technical (if you want more information, Wikipedia is a good source), this is something inherent to all LCD screens.

LCDs work by having an array of liquid crystals sitting over a backlight; the manipulation of those crystals is what creates the color filters necessary to generate an image. Those crystals take some amount of time (response time) to change their color, and do so in a continuous manner (e.g. it has to pass through all 255 intensities of red to go from pure red to pure black), which results in the blurring you see.

Different displays have differing response times based on the specific LCD technology used, but this is something inherent to all LCDs. So there's nothing wrong with your house or your eyes.

 

[Gryz]

I'm having the same problem.
I even bought a new 2ms LCD to replace my 5ms LCD. I hoped it would make the picture more clear when moving in games. There is some improvement, but not really enough to justify my buy. I wonder when LCD screens will be as good as my old CRT was. IPS is supposed to have better colors and higher viewangle. A friend of mine has one, and I'm still not impressed.

(I went from a Samsung 2443 (5ms 24" 1920x1200) to an Asus VE278N (2ms 27" 1920x1080). For gaming it is a slight improvement (larger screen, 10% higher fps (because 10% less pixels) and indeed a little less ghosting). But for the desktop I kinda prefer my old 1920x1200 Samsung. Maybe I should plug in both at the same time. Hard to decide. I wish there was a good 1920x1200 IPS 27" monitor with low response time, and decent price ...

 

[Guerrilladawg]

How does it explain the OLED problem though? People always tell me "ghosting" or anything is impossible on OLED, but it's exactly the same as LCD/IPS. Liquid crystals (and whatever is causing it on OLED) are still slower than the good ol' CRT which didn't have any of these problems.

 

[Madpacket]

This is why I prefer Plasma displays over LCD. I have both and Plasma's just simply produce a better looking image. I game more on my HTPC these days for this reason. I have a nice eyefinity 3X28" screen setup but the blurriness of the LCD panels still bother me to no end. I'm now looking for a 32" 1080P Plasma panel to replace my eyefinity setup (or perhaps I can setup an eyefinity plasma rig).

All of the OLED screens I have used personally still suffer from ghosted images except for that crazy expensive Sony one they have on display in their stores. No idea why this.

 

[Guerrilladawg]

This is why I can't understand that a majority of people are using these screens without problems. Do their eyes react differently? Do they get used to it? Or do they just not care? My eyes pick it up as soon as I move anything on screen (although it takes a full turn to really notice it)

 

[Pooptacular]

I believe what you guys are talking about is called Judder. I get that in every display that I own, but it only occurs if you are playing a game that is less than 30fps. Try a 60 fps game on your Vita, such as Rayman Origins, and check to see if that occurs on that as well.

I get this on my 42 inch 1080p Panny plasma, 30 inch dell 3007fpw and just about everything else. 60 fps looks amazing and trail free.

 

[Guerrilladawg]

Judder would explain the PS Vita, yes, since rayman does not have it. Judder does not explain my u2312hm however, since I own a gtx 670 and my fps is 60 99.9% of the times in WoW for example. I'm guessing the IPS is just because of the liquid crystals.

I came across this picture: http://www.monitor4u.co.kr/Review/review4u/ReviewImg/motion_bench_05_PDP.jpg and it shows the vita problem perfectly well, although it's a bit less on the Vita

 

[Madpacket]

In my case it's not judder, it's ghosted images that cause the largest distraction which I see on both OLED and LCD displays. A good example is the fast paced shooter (Quake Live), It runs at a solid 120fps yet the game ghosts and blurs like crazy on my 3MS GTG TN panels.

I hear 120hz LCD monitors are better for this but I personally haven't used yet.

I also think it's a sensitivity issue like microstutter where some people see it plain as daylight and others are (lucky for them) oblivious to it.

 

[Guerrilladawg]

In my case it's not judder, it's ghosted images that cause the largest distraction which I see on both OLED and LCD displays. A good example is the fast paced shooter (Quake Live), It runs at a solid 120fps yet the game ghosts and blurs like crazy on my 3MS GTG TN panels.

I hear 120hz LCD monitors are better for this but I personally haven't used yet.

I also think it's a sensitivity issue like microstutter where some people see it plain as daylight and others are (lucky for them) oblivious to it.

Like this? http://jooh.no/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/lcd-lcd-120hz-crt-comparison.jpg

 

[tweakboy]

LED especially OLED is like 7ms to 12ms latency. So the mouse isnt instant and smooth on FPS games, there is ghosting and motion blur. :thumbsdown:

 

[Madpacket]

Like this? http://jooh.no/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/lcd-lcd-120hz-crt-comparison.jpg

LED especially OLED is like 7ms to 12ms latency. So the mouse isnt instant and smooth on FPS games, there is ghosting and motion blur. :thumbsdown:

Yeah exactly, thanks for that picture, describes it perfectly. I still see a lot of blurring on that 120hz panel, damn. I also have a Sony FW900 CRT monitor that I end up always using for competitive FPS games as it's absolutely rock solid at 120hz and there is no input latency issues to deal with.

As much as I like Plasma displays they still suffer from input latency issues like LCD's and compared to CRT monitors it's pretty obvious. Plasma's are also a little hard to use as a primary computer display as text is simply not as sharp as LCD.

No perfect display exists, every one has a trade off to be made.

 

[BenSkywalker]

LED especially OLED is like 7ms to 12ms latency.

LED is a backlight for LCDs. OLED is a display type that is as fast as CRTs.

On the PS Vita, the OLED screen is marvelous, but when I turn my crosshair in Unit 13 at certain speeds, you can see background stuff get kinda smeary, it creates some kind of trail. Like the pixels are moving too slow which ends up creating a blurry/weird image once you start moving left->right->left->right

DoF artifact or motion blur issues. The way OLED tech works, it isn't the screen.