Is KAG a real term the Air Force uses?

StormRider

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In Battlestar Galactica, Apollo is the KAG. I guess it's like the head pilot. But is this a made-up term (like Frak) or is it a real term the Air Force uses?
 

coolred

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I don't know if its real in real life, but it is also use din JAG to basically signify the same thing, head pilot.

And if it helps any, I think its CAG
 

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Originally posted by: coolred
I don't know if its real in real life, but it is also use din JAG to basically signify the same thing, head pilot.

It does? Are you sure it doesn't mean Judge Advocate General?
 

coolred

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: coolred
I don't know if its real in real life, but it is also used in JAG to basically signify the same thing, head pilot.

It does? Are you sure it doesn't mean Judge Advocate General?



Um yeah JAG does stand for judge advocate general. But I was reffering to the term CAG, if you ever watch JAG, they are often on carriers, where there is generally a CAG.

CAG does also stand for carrier air group, I know that for sure.
 

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Originally posted by: coolred
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: coolred
I don't know if its real in real life, but it is also used in JAG to basically signify the same thing, head pilot.

It does? Are you sure it doesn't mean Judge Advocate General?



Um yeah JAG does stand for judge advocate general. But I was reffering to the term CAG, if you ever watch JAG, they are often on carriers, where there is generally a CAG.

CAG does also stand for carrier air group, I know that for sure.

huh? you said JAG is a head pilot.
 

coolred

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Yeah I just did a little checking, again according to JAG the CAG is the commander of the air wing. They specifically called it that. But as flashback said, I would think commander of air group would fit better.
 

coolred

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No JAG is the judge advocate general. It also happens to be a popular TV show about some military lawyers. One of which was a former fighter pilot.
 

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i like how they use the word frak alot. it sounds close enough to fvck but wont be censored out.
 

coolred

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Ah, i forgot there was a show called that.

Yeah its one of my favorite shows, but I can see how if you didn't know about it, what I said was confusing, sorry about that. I will try to be more clear in the future.
 

TerryMathews

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CAG is a real term, but AFAIK it's a naval term. The Air Force refers to the same position as "Wing Commander". Not to be confused with the game, of course. :)
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: TerryMathews
CAG is a real term, but AFAIK it's a naval term. The Air Force refers to the same position as "Wing Commander". Not to be confused with the game, of course. :)

That's not entirely accurate because the Wing Commander is analogous to a division commander in the Army (typically a 1 star or O-6). A more comparable term might be the Operations Group Commander because he has control over the flying assets in a Wing. The WG/CC has control over everyone, like the ship's captain.

CAG is unique to the Navy because the ship command structure is unique to the Navy.
 

psiu

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: TerryMathews
CAG is a real term, but AFAIK it's a naval term. The Air Force refers to the same position as "Wing Commander". Not to be confused with the game, of course. :)

That's not entirely accurate because the Wing Commander is analogous to a division commander in the Army (typically a 1 star or O-6). A more comparable term might be the Operations Group Commander because he has control over the flying assets in a Wing. The WG/CC has control over everyone, like the ship's captain.

CAG is unique to the Navy because the ship command structure is unique to the Navy.



Aren't the commander's of carriers (not the captain of the ship, but the commander who tells it where to go and what to blow up) supposed to be pilots?

Wasn't this something they put in to keep the battleship guys in their place (back when air power was unproven/untested)?
 

GoSharks

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psiu, do you mean the carrier battle group commander which controls the carrier, the airwing and its supporting ships - ie. cruisers, subs, resupply, etc? that person is usually a rear admiral (1 or 2 stars?).

captains of carriers are supposed to be former pilots. not so sure about the group commander though, but i would say no they dont need to be former pilots.
 

tnitsuj

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Captains of aircraft carriers are surface warfare officers, aviators, and nukes. Not your ordinary people.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: GOSHARKS
psiu, do you mean the carrier battle group commander which controls the carrier, the airwing and its supporting ships - ie. cruisers, subs, resupply, etc? that person is usually a rear admiral (1 or 2 stars?).

captains of carriers are supposed to be former pilots. not so sure about the group commander though, but i would say no they dont need to be former pilots.

If you mean the Air Force Group Commander, then yes they are pilots. More often than not, they are fighter pilots especially at the "prestigious" commands like where I'm stationed or at Langley (or any base with fighters). Non-pilots typically are screwed over in the Air Force for large commands, even if the command is directly in the discipline of the non-flyer. For example, you could have an Intelligence Group or Intelligence Wing headed by a pilot with no Intelligence background.

Make sense? Nope, but that's the AF way. They only want the rated guys with stars.
 

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: coolred
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: coolred
I don't know if its real in real life, but it is also used in JAG to basically signify the same thing, head pilot.

It does? Are you sure it doesn't mean Judge Advocate General?



Um yeah JAG does stand for judge advocate general. But I was reffering to the term CAG, if you ever watch JAG, they are often on carriers, where there is generally a CAG.

CAG does also stand for carrier air group, I know that for sure.

huh? you said JAG is a head pilot.

he said it's used in JAG (the tv show).
 

guyver01

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CAG is the acronym used in the United States Navy for Commander, Air Group.

This is the senior officer responsible for air operations aboard an aircraft carrier. The term traces its orgins to the time when air groups existed.

Nowadays, the air group has been reclassified as a carrier air wing, but the head of the air wing is still being called the CAG.