Is it wrong for transgenders to compete in sports that are gender specific?

[SSSnail]

I think it's bullshit that these transgender people are making a ruckus about competing in sports that are gender specific, which give them huge competitive advantages.

So what if you chopped off your weewee, that doesn't make you a woman, and you should be shameful for trying to compete in sports like women basketball or women MMA with your MALE frames. Shame on you!

 

[Geosurface]

I agree completely. This is an issue I've only just been exposed to, really. I was told about this Fallon Fox person a few days ago.

Having read up on Fallon Fox's situation, I think it is pretty clearly an unfair advantage and a stupid situation.

I honestly do sympathize with people who struggle with gender identity issues, etc... I realize I am very lucky to have been born white, male, tall, straight, in the first world, and with a very conventional sexuality.

I know it must suck to feel like you're in the wrong body, etc.

But I believe society must be structured with normality and the majority in mind... that's only right.

 

[Farang]

I agree. Separating genders in sports is not about different identities it is about different physical structures. If you are transgender, and mentally female, that doesn't change the fact that you were born in a man's body. If people like this started winning championships it is hard to see how anyone would take them seriously, the sport would become a joke.

 

[waggy]

yeap. agreed

 

[zinfamous]

chopping off wee-wee doesn't mean dick, honestly. :sneaky:

if they are going through hormone replacement, or have natural hormone imbalances that engender in them the muscle complement and comparable size to their defined gender, then why shouldn't they compete? If they are biophysically comparable, then I would see no issue.

 

[soulcougher73]

Agreed. Still a male regardless of pee pee or no pee pee

 

[Farang]

chopping off wee-wee doesn't mean dick, honestly. :sneaky:

if they are going through hormone replacement, or have natural hormone imbalances that engender in them the muscle complement and comparable size to their defined gender, then why shouldn't they compete? If they are biophysically comparable, then I would see no issue.

I'd be open to the argument but still very suspicious. I understand that is the argument they are making. But from a layman's perspective all of the transgender athletes I've seen still seem to maintain the same capability to hold muscle mass as a man.

 

[KeithTalent]

Have there been any former females who have attempted to make it in a male sport? Just wondering as I only ever seem to see stories going the other way.

KT

 

[SSSnail]

Have there been any former females who have attempted to make it in a male sport? Just wondering as I only ever seem to see stories going the other way.

KT

Why would they put themselves in clear disadvantageous situations?

 

[Dirigible]

Fair? Very possibly not. But life ain't fair. Suck it up.

Wrong? Nope.

 

[waggy]

Fair? Very possibly not. But life ain't fair. Suck it up.

Wrong? Nope.

without a doubt you are wrong.

even the NCAA won't allow it.


no way should a male to female be allowed to compete as a female. no it is not fair.

 

[Rakehellion]

I think it's bullshit that these transgender people are making a ruckus about competing in sports that are gender specific, which give them huge competitive advantages.

So what if you chopped off your weewee, that doesn't make you a woman, and you should be shameful for trying to compete in sports like women basketball or women MMA with your MALE frames. Shame on you!

A friend of mine plays female rugby and says there's a regulation that you have to have been your new gender for at least 4 years before you can play. I guess it's so people don't chop of their weewee every season to gain a competitive advantage.

 

[Rakehellion]

Have there been any former females who have attempted to make it in a male sport? Just wondering as I only ever seem to see stories going the other way.

KT

MTF trannies have more testosterone, thus more muscle, thus are better at competitive sports, so it would put them at a pretty solid advantage across the board.

That Miss Universe contestant on the other hand...

 

[zinfamous]

Why would they put themselves in clear disadvantageous situations?

there are certain physical differences that can't really be overcome, but depending on the competition, I would laugh at the thought of some disadvantages being a certainty.

 

[Sonikku]

I think it's bullshit that these transgender people are making a ruckus about competing in sports that are gender specific, which give them huge competitive advantages.

This. If you don't lose muscle and are just as strong as you were before being on Estrogens for years than they definitely should not be allowed to compete. It's the same reason the Olympics don't allow transgender people into such competition.

 

[zinfamous]

A friend of mine plays female rugby and says there's a regulation that you have to have been your new gender for at least 4 years before you can play. I guess it's so people don't chop of their weewee every season to gain a competitive advantage.

yes, I see this developing into a real problem....

The concern in the OP makes me wonder if there are people out there that think this will be a serious issue--people choosing to chop off their John Thomas just to compete in women's sports...I hope this is not the case.

It's like worrying about phantom welfare boogeypeople.

 

[Dirigible]

without a doubt you are wrong.

even the NCAA won't allow it.


no way should a male to female be allowed to compete as a female. no it is not fair.

A) Clearly there is doubt, as some organizations allow it. So your first statement is demonstrably incorrect.

B) Using the NCAA's decisions to back up what's right is absolute folly. The NCAA is a den of scum and villainy. Your second statement is quite weak.

C) Your third statement is conclusory and adds nothing.


C'mon waggy. Come back with better arguments.

 

[Geosurface]

Have there been any former females who have attempted to make it in a male sport?

I hear Chaz Bono is considering a run at Sumo Wrestling.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I hear Chaz Bono is considering a run at Sumo Wrestling.

Chastity Bono is gay?

 

[SSSnail]

there are certain physical differences that can't really be overcome, but depending on the competition, I would laugh at the thought of some disadvantages being a certainty.

And for the most part, you are correct. The problem is that the examples so far are from the sports where the physical advantages are certain. And as KT inferred, hasn't happened the other way. I wonder why that is... :hmm:

 

[edro]

I also agree.

For cases where the person has been transgender from birth, there should be a regulatory board who decides their fate. (each pro sport has their regulatory board)

 

[SKORPI0]

Chastity Bono is gay?

Nope he was born in a female body, thus the operation to correct the error.
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[WelshBloke]

If someone wants to win so badly that they cut off their dick to get an advantage I say we just let them win.

 

[Baked]

Chastity Bono is gay?

That's one hairy woman.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

If they've lost their testicals (or worse take anti-androgens that complete stop testosterone) and take female hormones, then they've lost most of the advantage of being male.