Is it worth to get a Thoroughbred chip over a Palomino chip?

[ndee]

Just wondering.

Thanks

 

[CrazySaint]

The TBreds offer absolutely no performance benefit over the palominos. So the only benefit of getting a TBred is that the lower clocked ones (1700+) overclock well. Also, the new TBred-Bs have a slightly modified core that doesn't enhance the performance any, but it runs cooler than the Palominos and TBred-As and overclocks better than either of them as well.

[EDIT: heh, I just noticed that I've graduated to "Platinum Member" w00t 😎]

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: CrazySaint
The TBreds offer absolutely no performance benefit over the palominos. So the only benefit of getting a TBred is that the lower clocked ones (1700+) overclock well. Also, the new TBred-Bs have a slightly modified core that doesn't enhance the performance any, but it runs cooler than the Palominos and TBred-As and overclocks better than either of them as well.

[EDIT: heh, I just noticed that I've graduated to "Platinum Member" w00t 😎]

Congrats 🙂

OK, but that they run cooler is a big benefit for me cuz I always have some temp problems in my room, so I think I will go with a T-Bred. Thanks 🙂

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: CrazySaint
The TBreds offer absolutely no performance benefit over the palominos. So the only benefit of getting a TBred is that the lower clocked ones (1700+) overclock well. Also, the new TBred-Bs have a slightly modified core that doesn't enhance the performance any, but it runs cooler than the Palominos and TBred-As and overclocks better than either of them as well.

[EDIT: heh, I just noticed that I've graduated to "Platinum Member" w00t 😎]

Congrats 🙂

OK, but that they run cooler is a big benefit for me cuz I always have some temp problems in my room, so I think I will go with a T-Bred. Thanks 🙂

Its only the TBred-Bs and the lower clocked TBred-As (1700-1900+) that run cooler, though.

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: CrazySaint

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: CrazySaint
The TBreds offer absolutely no performance benefit over the palominos. So the only benefit of getting a TBred is that the lower clocked ones (1700+) overclock well. Also, the new TBred-Bs have a slightly modified core that doesn't enhance the performance any, but it runs cooler than the Palominos and TBred-As and overclocks better than either of them as well.

[EDIT: heh, I just noticed that I've graduated to "Platinum Member" w00t 😎]

Congrats 🙂

OK, but that they run cooler is a big benefit for me cuz I always have some temp problems in my room, so I think I will go with a T-Bred. Thanks 🙂

Its only the TBred-Bs and the lower clocked TBred-As (1700-1900+) that run cooler, though.

I would get a TBred 2200+. What's the difference between the TBred-A and Bs? 😕

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: CrazySaint

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: CrazySaint
The TBreds offer absolutely no performance benefit over the palominos. So the only benefit of getting a TBred is that the lower clocked ones (1700+) overclock well. Also, the new TBred-Bs have a slightly modified core that doesn't enhance the performance any, but it runs cooler than the Palominos and TBred-As and overclocks better than either of them as well.

[EDIT: heh, I just noticed that I've graduated to "Platinum Member" w00t 😎]

Congrats 🙂

OK, but that they run cooler is a big benefit for me cuz I always have some temp problems in my room, so I think I will go with a T-Bred. Thanks 🙂

Its only the TBred-Bs and the lower clocked TBred-As (1700-1900+) that run cooler, though.

I would get a TBred 2200+. What's the difference between the TBred-A and Bs? 😕

IIRC, they re-arranged the core a tad and added a new metal layer.

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: CrazySaint

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: CrazySaint

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: CrazySaint
The TBreds offer absolutely no performance benefit over the palominos. So the only benefit of getting a TBred is that the lower clocked ones (1700+) overclock well. Also, the new TBred-Bs have a slightly modified core that doesn't enhance the performance any, but it runs cooler than the Palominos and TBred-As and overclocks better than either of them as well.

[EDIT: heh, I just noticed that I've graduated to "Platinum Member" w00t 😎]

Congrats 🙂

OK, but that they run cooler is a big benefit for me cuz I always have some temp problems in my room, so I think I will go with a T-Bred. Thanks 🙂

Its only the TBred-Bs and the lower clocked TBred-As (1700-1900+) that run cooler, though.

I would get a TBred 2200+. What's the difference between the TBred-A and Bs? 😕

IIRC, they re-arranged the core a tad and added a new metal layer.

So are there higher clocked TBred-As then 1900+?

 

[Macro2]

T-breds run cooler than Palominos. They are true .13u vs .18u or the Palomino. Regardless of being revision A or B.
Revision A was good up to 2200+ but will O'clock further.
Revision B added another layer to the wafer and will run much faster. current 2800+ rating.

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: Macro2
T-breds run cooler than Palominos. They are true .13u vs .18u or the Palomino. Regardless of being revision A or B.
Revision A was good up to 2200+ but will O'clock further.
Revision B added another layer to the wafer and will run much faster. current 2800+ rating.

So am I getting that right, that the 2800+ is the ONLY Revison B TBred? All other TBreds are Revision As? *really really confused*

[Edit] Just reading the Anandtech article about Rev A and B, that should clear things up 🙂 Thanks for your time guys[/Edit]

 

[majewski9]

Thouroughbred B's are sweet but the lower clocked A versions which I am very dissappointed that they arent b's run really cool. If you ask me thouroughbreds are way better than Palomino's. They are the same perfromance wise but .13 micron is oh so cool.

AXP .13 micron 1700 is a very nice cheap processor. I think they are 65 bucks with fan @ newegg. I think the 1800 is only ten bucks more!

 

[ndee]

Ok, here's my take:

Rev B. are 2400+ and 2600+. All others are Rev A. The 0.13micron process wasn't that "optimized"(I have no clue how I should call that cuz I have no clue about CPU design or whatsoever) and thus it only clocked til 2200+, right? So if I would get a Rev B. 2400+, I could overclock that CPU easily. Rev B. are only 2400+ and higher right? There are no Rev B which are lower then 2400+, right? 😕


[Edit] Wrong, there are lower clocked Rev Bs. [/Edit]

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: ndee
Ok, here's my take:

Rev B. are 2400+ and 2600+. All others are Rev A. The 0.13micron process wasn't that "optimized"(I have no clue how I should call that cuz I have no clue about CPU design or whatsoever) and thus it only clocked til 2200+, right? So if I would get a Rev B. 2400+, I could overclock that CPU easily. Rev B. are only 2400+ and higher right? There are no Rev B which are lower then 2400+, right? 😕


[Edit] Wrong, there are lower clocked Rev Bs. [/Edit]

Rev B is 2400-2800+, however all chips they're manufacturing now (1700+ and up) are being manufactured as Rev Bs but it will take a few months to get rid of the stock of Rev. As. AMD switched to the TBreds back in July or so and we're just now seeing TBreds in the lowest clocked chips (1700+) in quantity. While its true that all TBreds are 0.13 micron and therefore run "cooler" the TBred cores are MUCH smaller, so there's less surface area to dissipate the heat. The net result is that the 2000-2200+ TBred-As are actually about the same as Palominos as far as what it takes to cool them. However, the lower clocked TBred-As (1700-1900+) have a lower default vcore, so that they are actually cooler than their Palomino counterparts. The new TBred-Bs are reworked in such a way that they're cooler across the board than TBred-As and Palominos.

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: CrazySaint

Originally posted by: ndee
Ok, here's my take:

Rev B. are 2400+ and 2600+. All others are Rev A. The 0.13micron process wasn't that "optimized"(I have no clue how I should call that cuz I have no clue about CPU design or whatsoever) and thus it only clocked til 2200+, right? So if I would get a Rev B. 2400+, I could overclock that CPU easily. Rev B. are only 2400+ and higher right? There are no Rev B which are lower then 2400+, right? 😕


[Edit] Wrong, there are lower clocked Rev Bs. [/Edit]

Rev B is 2400-2800+, however all chips they're manufacturing now (1700+ and up) are being manufactured as Rev Bs but it will take a few months to get rid of the stock of Rev. As. AMD switched to the TBreds back in July or so and we're just now seeing TBreds in the lowest clocked chips (1700+) in quantity. While its true that all TBreds are 0.13 micron and therefore run "cooler" the TBred cores are MUCH smaller, so there's less surface area to dissipate the heat. The net result is that the 2000-2200+ TBred-As are actually about the same as Palominos as far as what it takes to cool them. However, the lower clocked TBred-As (1700-1900+) have a lower default vcore, so that they are actually cooler than their Palomino counterparts. The new TBred-Bs are reworked in such a way that they're cooler across the board than TBred-As and Palominos.

Thanks.

 

[Macro2]

RE:"Rev B is 2400-2800+, however all chips they're manufacturing now (1700+ and up) are being manufactured as Rev Bs but it will take a few months to get rid of the stock of Rev. As. AMD switched to the TBreds back in July or so and we're just now seeing TBreds in the lowest clocked chips (1700+) in quantity. While its true that all TBreds are 0.13 micron and therefore run "cooler" the TBred cores are MUCH smaller, so there's less surface area to dissipate the heat. The net result is that the 2000-2200+ TBred-As are actually about the same as Palominos as far as what it takes to cool them. However, the lower clocked TBred-As (1700-1900+) have a lower default vcore, so that they are actually cooler than their Palomino counterparts. The new TBred-Bs are reworked in such a way that they're cooler across the board than TBred-As and Palominos"

How do you know all AMD chips being manufactured now are revision B's? I'm not suggesting this is incorrect just wondering where you got the information.

Mac

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: Macro2
RE:"Rev B is 2400-2800+, however all chips they're manufacturing now (1700+ and up) are being manufactured as Rev Bs but it will take a few months to get rid of the stock of Rev. As. AMD switched to the TBreds back in July or so and we're just now seeing TBreds in the lowest clocked chips (1700+) in quantity. While its true that all TBreds are 0.13 micron and therefore run "cooler" the TBred cores are MUCH smaller, so there's less surface area to dissipate the heat. The net result is that the 2000-2200+ TBred-As are actually about the same as Palominos as far as what it takes to cool them. However, the lower clocked TBred-As (1700-1900+) have a lower default vcore, so that they are actually cooler than their Palomino counterparts. The new TBred-Bs are reworked in such a way that they're cooler across the board than TBred-As and Palominos"

How do you know all AMD chips being manufactured now are revision B's? I'm not suggesting this is incorrect just wondering where you got the information.

Mac

It only makes since that they'd move all their chips over to the improved, higher yield process instead of running two different versions of the same process. I could be wrong, though.

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: CrazySaint

Originally posted by: Macro2
RE:"Rev B is 2400-2800+, however all chips they're manufacturing now (1700+ and up) are being manufactured as Rev Bs but it will take a few months to get rid of the stock of Rev. As. AMD switched to the TBreds back in July or so and we're just now seeing TBreds in the lowest clocked chips (1700+) in quantity. While its true that all TBreds are 0.13 micron and therefore run "cooler" the TBred cores are MUCH smaller, so there's less surface area to dissipate the heat. The net result is that the 2000-2200+ TBred-As are actually about the same as Palominos as far as what it takes to cool them. However, the lower clocked TBred-As (1700-1900+) have a lower default vcore, so that they are actually cooler than their Palomino counterparts. The new TBred-Bs are reworked in such a way that they're cooler across the board than TBred-As and Palominos"

How do you know all AMD chips being manufactured now are revision B's? I'm not suggesting this is incorrect just wondering where you got the information.

Mac

It only makes since that they'd move all their chips over to the improved, higher yield process instead of running two different versions of the same process. I could be wrong, though.

It's mentioned in an article on the main page.

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: CrazySaint

Originally posted by: Macro2
RE:"Rev B is 2400-2800+, however all chips they're manufacturing now (1700+ and up) are being manufactured as Rev Bs but it will take a few months to get rid of the stock of Rev. As. AMD switched to the TBreds back in July or so and we're just now seeing TBreds in the lowest clocked chips (1700+) in quantity. While its true that all TBreds are 0.13 micron and therefore run "cooler" the TBred cores are MUCH smaller, so there's less surface area to dissipate the heat. The net result is that the 2000-2200+ TBred-As are actually about the same as Palominos as far as what it takes to cool them. However, the lower clocked TBred-As (1700-1900+) have a lower default vcore, so that they are actually cooler than their Palomino counterparts. The new TBred-Bs are reworked in such a way that they're cooler across the board than TBred-As and Palominos"

How do you know all AMD chips being manufactured now are revision B's? I'm not suggesting this is incorrect just wondering where you got the information.

Mac

It only makes since that they'd move all their chips over to the improved, higher yield process instead of running two different versions of the same process. I could be wrong, though.

It's mentioned in an article on the main page.

I thought that I'd read it somewhere, but didn't feel like trying to look it up 😉