Is it worth me waiting for Kaby Lake?

[spat55]

My motherboards PCIE has died so I now only have intel graphics so should I wait for Kaby before upgrading or go straight to Skylake? If I wait for Kaby how long does it take for motherboards that natively support it take to come out?

 

[Ken g6]

The main benefits to Kaby Lake are better Intel graphics (which you don't seem to want) and native USB 3.1 (which many mobos already have via a separate chip.)

You seem to like to overclock. So the next question I'd ask if I were you is whether to get 4 cores, or get 6 on a 5820K. Unless you can't afford a 5820K.

 

[spat55]

The main benefits to Kaby Lake are better Intel graphics (which you don't seem to want) and native USB 3.1 (which many mobos already have via a separate chip.)

You seem to like to overclock. So the next question I'd ask if I were you is whether to get 4 cores, or get 6 on a 5820K. Unless you can't afford a 5820K.

I mostly game so for me a 6700k would probably be better although I do record my gameplay and use Handbrake. Looking at benchmarks the 6700k beats the 5820k in games.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Kaby may also hit higher max clocks, fwiw. We don't know right now, though. But 5 GHz quad may become a reality again . . . maybe. Or maybe that will only show up for KabyLake X, I don't know.

 

[Yuriman]

Probably not. Was the 4690K worth waiting for, when the 4670K was out?

 

[VirtualLarry]

My motherboards PCIE has died so I now only have intel graphics

Are we talking, the x16 slot (fed by the CPU), or the x1 slots (fed by the PCH)?

Your CPU may be dying, or you may have bent pins.

Unless, you mean that you physically ripped the x16 slot off of the board.

 

[poofyhairguy]

The main benefits to Kaby Lake are better Intel graphics (which you don't seem to want) and native USB 3.1 (which many mobos already have via a separate chip.)

So basically the best benefit is you maybe can get a clearance Skylake chip for cheaper than now?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Well, the first choice is just to replace the motherboard and keep the cpu, no? I assume you are talking about the 3570k in your sig. I would say it is worth upgrading from a 3570k to an i7 (6700K or 5820k), but not to a skylake i5. Again, since we dont have a hex core on the most modern architecture, it is a difficult choice between 6700K and 5820K.

I would not wait for Kaby Lake, only improvements likely will be better igp and perhaps slightly higher clocks. So I would either upgrade now or you could wait and see what Skylake HEDT and Zen bring to the table.

 

[Lyfer]

Life is short. Stop waiting and just get a 6700k.

 

[Nick63]

Would the native support for Optane drives be a reason to wait for KabyLake?

 

[spat55]

Are we talking, the x16 slot (fed by the CPU), or the x1 slots (fed by the PCH)?

Your CPU may be dying, or you may have bent pins.

Unless, you mean that you physically ripped the x16 slot off of the board.

No the X16 slot is physically fine burn marks etc and I've ran a IBT for 10 minutes and that was also fine, took off the cooler and looked and I don't think my board has bent pins although not 100% as I have no experience with bent pins. I've tried a new PSU and a new GPU together and nothing so I am almost certain it is a dead. I will add that my PCIE x1 works with my soundcard still though...

Life is short. Stop waiting and just get a 6700k.

This is true although I'm only 21 and I'm going to try and save for a month or two upgrade to a 6700k then get a Vega GPU. If I die now I'll be angry

Well, the first choice is just to replace the motherboard and keep the cpu, no? I assume you are talking about the 3570k in your sig. I would say it is worth upgrading from a 3570k to an i7 (6700K or 5820k), but not to a skylake i5. Again, since we dont have a hex core on the most modern architecture, it is a difficult choice between 6700K and 5820K.

I would not wait for Kaby Lake, only improvements likely will be better igp and perhaps slightly higher clocks. So I would either upgrade now or you could wait and see what Skylake HEDT and Zen bring to the table.

Thought about getting a new motherboard and will keep a look out for a decent z77 used board although they go for around £100 on ebay now so will be looking around my local OCUK forums.

 

[ehume]

Probably not. Was the 4690K worth waiting for, when the 4670K was out?

Maybe. The 4790k was better than the 4770k. But a year-old build 4790k was 100MHz faster and ran cooler than the new-build 4790k.

So a year-old build of a 6700k might be better than a Kaby Lake -- or not. It's all a crapshoot.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

So basically the best benefit is you maybe can get a clearance Skylake chip for cheaper than now?

iirc, there haven't really been very good cpu "closeout" deals with the last few generations. Not enough cpu performance increases to justify it, I guess.

(Although Microcenter did clearance to move old motherboards.)

 

[DrMrLordX]

If I die now I'll be angry

No you won't . . . you'll be dead!

I do agree that KabyLake S probably won't do anything to lower prices on Skylake, just as Skylake and Broadwell-C did little-to-nothing to lower prices on the 4790k. Motherboard prices may shuffle around a bit as newer/better boards come out.

 

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[jpiniero]

Skylake-X having a 4.5 Ghz base is not happening. Kabylake-X, sure. But the Kabylake-X likely has only 16 PCIe lanes. If you want 40, you'll have to get Skylake-X and not the cheapest one either because that's where they dump the parts with busted PCIe lanes.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Would the native support for Optane drives be a reason to wait for KabyLake?

Depends:

1) Native NVMe support: Meaning certified and optimized drivers. Basically, a faster SSD
2) Optane DIMM, optimized OS, application, BIOS, hardware. Allows for instant boot(no nonsense with sleep modes and C states), instant loading of applications, basically anything pretty much instant that's disk bound

1) Likely not. Just get a NVMe SSD now
2) By far yes. Even if that means you can only buy a lowest Celeron CPU. Because the potential of the platform far outstrips everything, no more Von Neumann nonsense.

Current rumors? NVMe with driver support 95%, Optane DIMM 5%. Chances of Optane DIMM + Optimized OS + BIOS + Software = 0%

So, I'd advise you to buy it when your system can't run the programs you want anymore. If you'd like a potential 5-10% gain Kabylake might bring you, sure that's your choice.

 

[Sable]

Kaby may also hit higher max clocks, fwiw. We don't know right now, though. But 5 GHz quad may become a reality again . . . maybe. Or maybe that will only show up for KabyLake X, I don't know.

the cynical susan in me just says no. 5-15% vague increases in overall performance within same power envelope.


Total guessing on my part but if we follow the same trend then...

 

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[TheELF]

Isn't kaby the first platform that will support 3d xpoint? Your whole game being in ram will most definitely be very beneficial,no more stutters from texture streaming,hopefully at least.

 

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[jpiniero]

The DIMMS are likely going to be very expensive at the beginning though.

Why is it -X now? What happened to -E? I can't keep track of this stuff anymore.

X replaces E basically.

 

[CakeMonster]

But IIRC X will also have 4 cores (and more) so KL will compete with itself (X vs K)...?

 

[jpiniero]

But IIRC X will also have 4 cores (and more) so KL will compete with itself (X vs K)...?

Presumably KBL-X will clock higher, both at stock and overclocked. And it's on a different socket. I'm sure it will cost more though and there's no guarantee there will be a 4C4T model.

Current rumors? NVMe with driver support 95%, Optane DIMM 5%. Chances of Optane DIMM + Optimized OS + BIOS + Software = 0%

Intel has specifically talked about gaming when mentioning Optane so I take that to mean that the DIMMs will be fully supported on consumer parts. Now you might only realize the performance benefit and not the extended memory features.

 

[Nick63]

Depends:

1) Native NVMe support: Meaning certified and optimized drivers. Basically, a faster SSD
2) Optane DIMM, optimized OS, application, BIOS, hardware. Allows for instant boot(no nonsense with sleep modes and C states), instant loading of applications, basically anything pretty much instant that's disk bound

1) Likely not. Just get a NVMe SSD now
2) By far yes. Even if that means you can only buy a lowest Celeron CPU. Because the potential of the platform far outstrips everything, no more Von Neumann nonsense.

Current rumors? NVMe with driver support 95%, Optane DIMM 5%. Chances of Optane DIMM + Optimized OS + BIOS + Software = 0%

So, I'd advise you to buy it when your system can't run the programs you want anymore. If you'd like a potential 5-10% gain Kabylake might bring you, sure that's your choice.

Great reply, thanks. It seems I should just get Skylake now.