Is it worth $44 to get the Athlon 64 3200+ winchester over the 3000+???

[mh454]

I know I want a 939 Winchester core Athlon 64 which pretty much narrows it down to these two (the 3500+ is over my budget and from I understand, there isn't a 3400 Winchester?). I would like to overclock a little with an Asus A8V mobo. Which CPU would be better? Can one overclock more stable than the other? Thanks.

 

[walkure]

I have heard that the 3000 is limited to a 9x multiplier, while 3200 could do 10x or higher. Thus, the 3000 could limit OC'ing. But then again, I have seen people post with 3000+ OC'd to 2600MHz+!

I could be wrong though, please someone correct if so.

 

[Quino]

Yes, that is correct 3000 x9 multiplier 3200 x10 multiplier. ith the recent batches of 3000's a lot of people seem to be getting 2.6-2.7 gigs out of them. of course to achieve this you would need a mb that cna do a 300htt. Epox and MSi seem to be doing fine at this htt. Also Abit seems to be able to achieve this with some tweaking.

 

[thegimp03]

I saw over on overclockers.com that people have hit ~2.8 ghz with 939 3000+ procs, which is a 1 ghz increase. That's just amazing to me. And no, I don't think it's worth it getting a 3200+ over a 3000+, I've read that the 3000, 3200, and 3500 90nm's all oc to around the same speed.

 

[ts3433]

They all OC to around the same speed, but the 10x multiplier may bring some added faith/security of sorts. You also won't have to crank the HTT as far.

 

[Insomniak]

I wouldn't bother. As long as you have a good solid motherboard, HTT speed won't be a problem. Just keep the overall HyperTransport Link at around 1000 and you'll be ok.

 

[BBock7271]

ive actually heard better success w/ the 3000+ than 3200+ at speeds of 2.6+

 

[magomago]

you also need better ram~ that would be a biggie. Would you be spending more than 44 dollars on getting "premium ram"? If so, I would rather go 3200+ than fork over an extra for "EB LL BLACK ULTRA PCB LIGHTERS" ram

 

[ts3433]

Originally posted by: magomago
you also need better ram~ that would be a biggie. Would you be spending more than 44 dollars on getting "premium ram"? If so, I would rather go 3200+ than fork over an extra for "EB LL BLACK ULTRA PCB LIGHTERS" ram

Going with the 3000+ doesn't necessitate better RAM at all. As a matter of fact, Zebo's tests that show running the RAM synchronous with the HTT means nothing all use an overclocked Winchester 3000+. Value RAM is fine either way.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: BBock7271
ive actually heard better success w/ the 3000+ than 3200+ at speeds of 2.6+

This often happens (same back when the AXP bartons were new, 2500+ OCed better than 2800+, FI). Chances are the 3000+ models sell more, so newer ones are currently selling than the higher models.

 

[mh454]

So it sounds like the 3000+ model would be the way to go. If people are getting 2.6-2.7 ghz OC'd out of these things, is there any minimum I would expect this thing to be able to overclock too?

 

[Appledrop]

yes minimum = 2.5ghz.. *pesky minimum just over 30mhz over pfft.. grrumbles at own cpu bah!*

 

[mh454]

Originally posted by: Azzy64
yes minimum = 2.5ghz.. *pesky minimum just over 30mhz over pfft.. grrumbles at own cpu bah!*

So is the minumum on the 3000 pretty much the same as the 3200?

 

[Appledrop]

yes, people seem to be getting better ocs with 3000s too damnit >.<

 

[PClark99]

OC is one part science, one part luck.

Save the $44, get the 3000, and get good air cooling like a zalman or a swiftech.

 

[jterrell]

I decided it wasn't worth it since I plan on going to to a steady 2400 anyways. Every a64 chip I've seen reviewed does 2.4 and all the 939 versions have done them on air.