Is it racist to hate members of the Tea Party?

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FelixDeCat

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i image he is like this

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You know. This is going to be funny, because I feel EXACTLY the same way about the Tea Party. They really scare the hell out of me.

Things were good when it was just Republicans vs Dems. Most people stood right in the middle with a slight lean left or right. Now, a third party has chimed in, and everyone is becoming an extremist to protect their interests.

What do you fear most? The group that has rallies and allows anyone to join and participate, or the groups that immediately call a new group Racist and use derogitory terms left and right to influence public opinion of those with no direct interaction with the group?
 

preslove

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I'm eager to learn and open to research and discuss any rebuttal you can provide to me.

Uh... a ton of the founding fathers were slave owners. Jesus Christ, you are dumb as a fucking post. Jefferson, Washington, Madison, and Monroe ALL OWNED SLAVES YOU FUCKING MORON!!!!!!!!!!


You could start by reading a history book. Fuck dude, it's your own country and us "foreigners" know more about your history than you do.

Yes, he does, you babbling buffoon.


The reason why nobody takes you teabagger people seriously is because you all have really strong opinions about things you don't understand. Do your country a fucking favor and stop participating in politics. You. are. too. fucking. stupid. to. do. it. right.
 

guyver01

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The reason why nobody takes you teabagger people seriously is because you all have really strong opinions about things you don't understand. Do your country a fucking favor and stop participating in politics. You. are. too. fucking. stupid. to. do. it. right.

They should stop participating in EVERYTHING.

Here is their queen bee, and Tea Party Darling Sarah Palin saying....
wait for it...
wait for it...
wait for it...

SPUTNIK caused the downfall of the soviet union.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/compost/2011/01/wtf_moments_with_palin_on_the.html

That was another one of those WTF moments, when he so often repeated this Sputnik moment that he would aspire Americans to celebrate. And he needs to remember that what happened back then with the former communist USSR and their victory in that race to space, yes, they won, but they also incurred so much debt at the time that it resulted in the inevitable collapse of the Soviet Union.
 

Fayd

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Didn't the US economy experience unprecedented growth in the 19th century? (after the Civil War)

no, it didn't.

without the labor base of slavery, and with the near complete destruction of the southern infrastructure, the south's economy was almost completely destroyed. the north depended on the south... both sides were screwed.

i don't know where you get your history lessons, but mercantilism and high tariffs are not economically productive. there's a reason why (nearly) free trade is advocated by everyone who's not a dumbass.

btw, import substitution industrialization was tried...several times, in fact, by all sorts of developing nations. every one failed. every single one.
 

Ichinisan

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Jesus Christ, you are dumb as a fucking post.

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babbling buffoon.

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teabagger

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Do your country a fucking favor and stop participating in politics. You. are. too. fucking. stupid. to. do. it. right.

You're not helping me.

Anyway, I'm still reading...but I just thought I'd share something:

George Washington said:
"there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it."
—Letter to Morris, April 12, 1786, in George Washington, A Collection, ed. W.B. Allen (Indianapolis: Liberty Classics, 1989), 319.



John Adams said:
"Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States…. I have, through my whole life, held the practice of slavery in …abhorrence."
—Letter to Evans, June 8, 1819, in Selected Writings of John and John Quincy Adams ed. Adrienne Koch et al. (New York: Knopf, 1946), 209-10.



Benjamin Franklin said:
"Slavery is …an atrocious debasement of human nature."
—"An Address to the Public from the Pennsylvania Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery" (1789), Benjamin Franklin, Writings ed. J.A. Leo Lemay (New York: Library of America, 1987), 1154.



Alexander Hamilton said:
"The laws of certain states …give an ownership in the service of negroes as personal property…. But being men, by the laws of God and nature, they were capable of acquiring liberty—and when the captor in war …thought fit to give them liberty, the gift was not only valid, but irrevocable."
—Philo Camillus no. 2 (1795), in Papers of Alexander Hamilton, ed. Harold C. Syrett (New York: Columbia University Press, 1961-), 19:101-2.



James Madison said:
"We have seen the mere distinction of colour made in the most enlightened period of time, a ground of the most oppressive dominion ever exercised by man over man."
—Speech at Constitutional Convention, June 6, 1787, in Max Farrand, ed., Records of the Federal Convention of 1787 (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1937), 1:135.
http://www.vindicatingthefounders.com/library/five-founders-on-slavery.html
 
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preslove

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They should stop participating in EVERYTHING.

Here is their queen bee, and Tea Party Darling Sarah Palin saying....
wait for it...
wait for it...
wait for it...

SPUTNIK caused the downfall of the soviet union.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/compost/2011/01/wtf_moments_with_palin_on_the.html

Heh, yeah, this is all pretty typical. The very fact that these idiots call themselves the "tea party" shows how stupid and ignorant of history they are. The original Tea Party was a protest against a tax CUT, not a tax hike: http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1647/truth-about-tea-party-original-one

Just a bunch of fucking idiots shouting words they don't understand.
 

Ichinisan

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btw, import substitution industrialization was tried...several times, in fact, by all sorts of developing nations. every one failed. every single one.
I'd like to study this. I see no logical reason for it to fail, unless it was not free market. For example, if it was government-subsidized businesses that didn't truly have to compete with foreign goods.

Do you know of any specific examples I can research?

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That was another one of those WTF moments, when he so often repeated this Sputnik moment that he would aspire Americans to celebrate. And he needs to remember that what happened back then with the former communist USSR and their victory in that race to space, yes, they won, but they also incurred so much debt at the time that it resulted in the inevitable collapse of the Soviet Union.

I'll look into her statement. So the USSR economy collapsed, and I'm pretty sure that massive spending could be a factor.
 
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preslove

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You're not helping me.

Anyway, I'm still reading...but I just thought I'd share something:


http://www.vindicatingthefounders.com/library/five-founders-on-slavery.html

You are sincerely trying to argue that Thomas Jefferson was an abolitionist? You should look up the word 'Abolitionist..." There is no helping a dumbshit as stupid as you :facepalm:

Here's the review of that piece of shit book, right from the Amazon page:

Editorial Reviews
From Library Journal
West (politics, Univ. of Dallas) aims to defend the U.S. Constitution and the men who drafted it in 1787 from the accusations of sexism, racism, and prejudice against the poor. West writes from a conservative perspective, and, as he frequently pauses to remind the reader, his arguments are learned and logical. However, this is a deeply flawed book. West writes in a supercilious and dismissive tone. Worse, he digresses far afield to introduce his ideas on contemporary issues, which have almost nothing to do with the founders; his chapter on the family is simply a compendium of current conservative views and he rarely mentions the founders, who said and wrote little on the subject. More eloquent and elegant conservative viewpoints on the founding include Marvin Olasky's Fighting for Liberty and Virtue (Regnery, 1996), M.E. Bradford and Russell Kirk's A Better Guide Than Reason (Transaction, 1994), and Forrest McDonald's We the People (Transaction, 1992).?Fritz Buckallew, Univ. of Central Oklahoma Lib., Edmond
Copyright 1997 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
 

guyver01

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I'll look into her statement. So the USSR economy collapsed, and I'm pretty sure that massive spending could be a factor.

that was her statement word for word.

(1) The Soviet Union did NOT win the space race.
(2) The Soviet Union collapsed 40 years later... i'm pretty sure it had NO effect.
 

Ichinisan

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that was her statement word for word.

(1) The Soviet Union did NOT win the space race.
(2) The Soviet Union collapsed 40 years later... i'm pretty sure it had NO effect.

The statement said "race to space." I hope you're not deliberately misinterpreting what she said. USSR got an object into space (or orbit) long before the US did, when typical Americans had never thought about that kind of engineering challenge. Everyone should know this.

You imply that she was talking about the resulting "space race" (race to the moon), which the US clearly won despite USSR's early lead. Are you seriously implying that she thought USSR reached the moon first?
 
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preslove

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An informative read. Thank you.

Most people, myself included, believed that the Boston Tea Party was about excessive taxes. Still, the key statement history remembers is: "No taxation without representation." It was part of a series of events that led to the American Revolution.

You are the stupidest poster I've seen on these boards, Heller included.
 

Ichinisan

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You are sincerely trying to argue that Thomas Jefferson was an abolitionist? You should look up the word 'Abolitionist..." There is no helping a dumbshit as stupid as you :facepalm:
I didn't mention Jefferson. Wasn't he from one of those stubborn states from the south? Ah, yes! Virginia. Those pro-slavery states didn't even want to join the union until certain concessions were made regarding slavery.


Here's the review of that piece of shit book, right from the Amazon page:
Those were quotes of men. They happen to be compiled in that particular book. I haven't read that book, nor would I recommend a book I haven't read. I simply Googl-ed "founders slavery" and found a list of quotes supporting my statement that the founding fathers were overwhelmingly against slavery.
 
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Ichinisan

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You are the stupidest poster I've seen on these boards, Heller included.
Heller doesn't want to learn anything. He's obstinate and reprehensible. I actually thirst for knowledge.

Please, teacher. Don't insult me. It's discouraging and it's harder for me to see your point of view when you do that.
 
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guyver01

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USSR got an object into space (or orbit) long before the US did, when typical Americans had never thought about that kind of engineering challenge. Everyone should know this.

Are Tea Baggers now participating in Revisionist History? A year before The Russians put an object in space, the Americans nearly did it first. Here is the HISTORY you SHOULD KNOW:


On 20 September 1956, Wehrner von Braun and his team did launch a Jupiter-C that was capable of putting a satellite into orbit, however the launch was used only as a suborbital test of nose cone reentry technology.

Word came that the Americans were planning to announce a major breakthrough at an International Geophysical Year conference at the National Academy of Sciences in Washington D.C., with a paper entitled "Satellite Over the Planet", on the 6 October 1957.

Serge Korolyev's fear was that von Braun might launch a Jupiter-C with a satellite payload, on, or around, the forth or fifth of October, in conjunction with the paper. On Friday, 4 October 1957, at exactly 10:28:34 p.m. Moscow time, the now named Sputnik 1 satellite lifted off the launch pad, and placed this artificial "moon" into an orbit a few minutes later.

Nearly four months after the launch of Sputnik 1, von Braun and the United States successfully launched its first satellite, on a modified Redstone booster, under the "civilian" name Juno 1 to differentiate it from the army's Redstone missile. The Juno 1 carried the Explorer 1 satellite, and the Explorer 1's flight data confirmed the existence of an Earth-encompassing radiation belt, previously theorized by James Van Allen.
 

Ichinisan

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An informative read. Thank you.

Most people, myself included, believed that the Boston Tea Party was about excessive taxes. Still, the key statement history remembers is: "No taxation without representation." It was part of a series of events that led to the American Revolution.

You are the stupidest poster I've seen on these boards, Heller included.
:(
 

Ichinisan

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The statement said "race to space." I hope you're not deliberately misinterpreting what she said. USSR got an object into space (or orbit) long before the US did, when typical Americans had never thought about that kind of engineering challenge. Everyone should know this.

You imply that she was talking about the resulting "space race" (race to the moon), which the US clearly won despite USSR's early lead. Are you seriously implying that she thought USSR reached the moon first?


Are Tea Baggers now participating in Revisionist History? A year before The Russians put an object in space, the Americans nearly did it first. Here is the HISTORY you SHOULD KNOW:

On 20 September 1956, Wehrner von Braun and his team did launch a Jupiter-C that was capable of putting a satellite into orbit, however the launch was used only as a suborbital test of nose cone reentry technology.

Word came that the Americans were planning to announce a major breakthrough at an International Geophysical Year conference at the National Academy of Sciences in Washington D.C., with a paper entitled "Satellite Over the Planet", on the 6 October 1957.

Serge Korolyev's fear was that von Braun might launch a Jupiter-C with a satellite payload, on, or around, the forth or fifth of October, in conjunction with the paper. On Friday, 4 October 1957, at exactly 10:28:34 p.m. Moscow time, the now named Sputnik 1 satellite lifted off the launch pad, and placed this artificial "moon" into an orbit a few minutes later.

Nearly four months after the launch of Sputnik 1, von Braun and the United States successfully launched its first satellite, on a modified Redstone booster, under the "civilian" name Juno 1 to differentiate it from the army's Redstone missile. The Juno 1 carried the Explorer 1 satellite, and the Explorer 1's flight data confirmed the existence of an Earth-encompassing radiation belt, previously theorized by James Van Allen.

It sounds like you're disputing the very notion of a "Sputnik moment." People use that term to mean: "You realize that you have a lot of catching-up to do." It was the POTUS who used the term in the SOTU address, right?